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Aside from the obvious that ninja let's you use django.

WD-42 2y ago
The ability to use django is the main attractor. The other frameworks are great but make you reinvent Django if you require auth, orm, admin, etc
- globular-toast 2y ago
  Oh but you wouldn't reinvent Django, you'd build a properly architected, simple system.
  - WD-42 2y ago
    Of course you would.
- bkovacev 2y ago
  That would have been my argument exactly - I am not saying that Django fits every use case, but with my limited exposure to projects that have ended up using non-Django Python API framework, they ended up recreating the batteries included approach, with probably way too many issues waiting to be discovered with manually rolled out auth, middlewares and ORM.
  - globular-toast 2y ago
    It's such a shame Pyramid isn't more popular. I think you'll find what they have recreated is not Django, it's Pyramid. The thing is, Django isn't just a web framework. Django is a CRUD app framework. It's great for building CRUD apps, but that's about it. In other words, it makes the easy stuff easy, but doesn't help with the hard stuff (in fact, it often hinders it). I think the real reason for using Django is the "app" ecosystem. You wouldn't be able to get Django-style packages with Pyramid. It's possible with Django, though, because it's a CRUD app framework. If you're not using "apps" then I guess the only other reason is the community support that you probably won't get from Pyramid + SQLAlchemy or similar.
    - nprateem 2y ago
      The apps are a major sell like with any ecosystem. But don't forget you also get a stable, mature project, excellent documentation, a pool of developers, etc.
      - globular-toast 2y ago
        > But don't forget you also get a stable, mature project, excellent documentation, a pool of developers, etc. You get all of that with any of Pyramid, Flask, FastAPI etc. As for "pool of developers", I would expect any backend web developer to be able to pick up anything in a couple of days at most.
        nprateem 2y ago
        > You get all of that with any of Pyramid, Flask, FastAPI etc. Yes, with fewer batteries, and so less consistency between projects, etc. > As for "pool of developers", I would expect any backend web developer to be able to pick up anything in a couple of days at most. Not some half-baked homegrown ORM, etc. Been there, seen it fail.

The ability to use django is the main attractor. The other frameworks are great but make you reinvent Django if you require auth, orm, admin, etc

globular-toast 2y ago
Oh but you wouldn't reinvent Django, you'd build a properly architected, simple system.
- WD-42 2y ago
  Of course you would.
bkovacev 2y ago
That would have been my argument exactly - I am not saying that Django fits every use case, but with my limited exposure to projects that have ended up using non-Django Python API framework, they ended up recreating the batteries included approach, with probably way too many issues waiting to be discovered with manually rolled out auth, middlewares and ORM.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  It's such a shame Pyramid isn't more popular. I think you'll find what they have recreated is not Django, it's Pyramid. The thing is, Django isn't just a web framework. Django is a CRUD app framework. It's great for building CRUD apps, but that's about it. In other words, it makes the easy stuff easy, but doesn't help with the hard stuff (in fact, it often hinders it). I think the real reason for using Django is the "app" ecosystem. You wouldn't be able to get Django-style packages with Pyramid. It's possible with Django, though, because it's a CRUD app framework. If you're not using "apps" then I guess the only other reason is the community support that you probably won't get from Pyramid + SQLAlchemy or similar.
  - nprateem 2y ago
    The apps are a major sell like with any ecosystem. But don't forget you also get a stable, mature project, excellent documentation, a pool of developers, etc.
    - globular-toast 2y ago
      > But don't forget you also get a stable, mature project, excellent documentation, a pool of developers, etc. You get all of that with any of Pyramid, Flask, FastAPI etc. As for "pool of developers", I would expect any backend web developer to be able to pick up anything in a couple of days at most.
      - nprateem 2y ago
        > You get all of that with any of Pyramid, Flask, FastAPI etc. Yes, with fewer batteries, and so less consistency between projects, etc. > As for "pool of developers", I would expect any backend web developer to be able to pick up anything in a couple of days at most. Not some half-baked homegrown ORM, etc. Been there, seen it fail.