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This is one of the more remote flights humanity operates. What even are the diversion points on this route, McMurdo airfield?
I'm not an Elon shrill but this seems as an ideal place for SpaceX to be re-entering things as they can choose with minimal damage to ecosystems.
- bmitc 2y agoWhy is that anyone else's problem besides SpaceX's? Are they going to pay for it?
- _bin_ 2y agoWhy would Qantas have the implicit right to the airspace first? Space travel and air travel are both value-added human activities. I can't see why we would always prioritize air travel (particularly in very remote locations like this) over space travel. Most flights will never be impacted this way.
- rising-sky 2y agoYou're kidding right? This is space debris. If a Qantas flight crashed into your neighborhood, you know who's responsible right?
- IncreasePosts 2y agoAre international waters in the southern Indian ocean Qantas' neighborhood?
- bmitc 2y agoIt's not the waters that's important here. It's the debris passing through the flight path.
- whataguy 2y agoQantas doesn't own the flight path either?
- rising-sky 2y agoOh common?! Do you own the travel path when driving down the highway? No you don't but there are agreed upon and codified rules on right of way that protect your right to safe passage or navigation. Similar convention applies to air space and air travel, look up Annex 2: Rules of the Air by ICAO which outlines right of way principles for air travel
- robertlagrant 2y agoWhat does it say has right of way between a rocket stage, that cannot be steered, and aircraft, that can?
- hulitu 2y ago> between a rocket stage, that cannot be steered This is just trash. Debris as they call it. If drive in front of you on a highway and throw some "debris" out of the window, will you enjoy it ?
- robertlagrant 2y agoWill I enjoy it? What's that got to do with anything?
- rising-sky 2y agoThe FAA confirmed that debris fell outside designated areas, temporarily disrupting air traffic and causing several aircraft to divert or delay flights. You can read more here and other news sources https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/spacexs-starship-grounds-after-test-flight-explosion https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/spacexs-starship-grou...
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- sangnoir 2y agoWould you ask the same question if it were Long March rocket debris falling into the Atlantic with very short notices from China?
- Denvercoder9 2y agoIt's not space debris, it's the deliberate disposal of the upper stage of the rocket precisely to prevent it from becoming space debris. The time and location of re-entry are planned and controlled. This is not going to crash into your neighborhood (except if you're neighborhood is in certain areas of China, where they they happily dump spent rocket stages on populated areas).
- lazide 2y agoTo be fair, I’m not sure happily describes it. Indifferently? ‘We warned them and they didn’t move, so f them?’ Ly?
- wtcactus 2y agoThat’s because I own my back yard. Qantas doesn’t own a 3D space in the sky.
- axus 2y agoA flight is using a very narrow path, the rocket debris is "claiming" a huge unavoidable areas over probably a relatively long period of time. I wonder what the math is on the plane actually getting hit if it took it's normal route.
- paranoidrobot 2y agoSomething with a lot of significant decimal places that are mostly zeroes. Unfortunately "got hit by space debris in designated NOTAM area" looks bad in headlines.
- bmitc 2y ago> Space travel ... value-added human activities Heavily debatable. And you're equating to SpaceX dumping debris and trash in addition to their original flight path to a plane's flight path. Those are not equal things.
- wat10000 2y agoWhy not? Both are an essential part of the operation.
- stevage 2y agoDo you consider launching spy satellites "value added human activities"?
- _bin_ 2y agodepends who's doing it. china, for instance, classifies everything they send up as "military" with the ITU to avoid disclosure. the US is a net positive in the world, so our satellites are too.
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- stevage 2y agoCurious which countries you think are net positives. China?
- _bin_ 2y agochina is a tougher one. she has been strongly positive in the past, as well as strongly negative; now she is much closer to negative. net all that i'd say negative overall.
- mrpippy 2y agoI don't think there are diversion points, you either keep going to destination or turn around. The A380 is rated for ETOPS-330, that's 5hr30min from a diversion airport.
- kylehotchkiss 2y agoIt's incredible a 14 hour flight can run with that level of certainty!
- bangaladore 2y agoIncase anyone is wondering about ETOPS-N For example, if an aircraft is rated for ETOPS-180, it means that it is able to fly with full load and just one engine for three hours. [1] Obviously in this case it 5hours 30 minutes on one engine at full load. -- Slight edit: Unclear if with a 4 engine its rated with 2 functional or still 1 functional engine. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS#Usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS#Usage
- m4rtink 2y agoA380 has 4 engines, so maybe it doees this with more than one ?
- jimnotgym 2y agoI think it means it can do it with 1, but the fact it has 4 gives it great redundancy.
- bangaladore 2y agoI'm not sure. In the case of 4 engines, it may be 2 is how they certify it. Specifically I think the case where both engines on the same wing fail (as the worst case other that losing 3)
- asdfaoeu 2y agoThe rating is taking into consideration that it has 4 engines. The term is just confusing because it used to only apply to twin engine aircraft.
- gosub100 2y agoI used to geek out on this, another one from pre-covid was Santiago Chile to Sydney AUS, 2-3x a week. That looked like one _lonely_ flight.
- gosub100 2y agohttps://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28 https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28
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- wat10000 2y agoThat really downplays the amount of collaboration needed to make a flight like this happen. The airplane was designed and built by tons of people in lots of different counties, building on a century of aviation industry knowledge. The amount of work and experience that goes into making a machine that can safely be 5+ hours from a landing site is enormous.
- timewizard 2y agoNone of that means you're automatically operating it on behalf of humanity or even to the benefit of all humanity.
- wat10000 2y ago“This is one of the more remote flights humanity operates.” doesn’t mean that either, so what’s your point?
- TeMPOraL 2y ago> Is this [SpaceX flight] for the benefit of humanity? Yes. Much more so than that one weird flight that's "merely profitable for a single company". > Do we all get a profit sharing check at some point? Yes, in the form of more space sector jobs, more jobs and economic benefits that come from more kinds of useful stuff being launched to space more often, and eventually - hopefully - more jobs in space and economic benefits coming from that.
- echelon_musk 2y ago> shrill I suspect you may have meant to say shill instead.
- duxup 2y agoI can't imagine that much ... nothing out there.
- vikingerik 2y agoI know you're not exactly serious, but to answer anyway: McMurdo isn't near this flight path, it's at New Zealand's longitude (so 2000 miles east of Australia) and much farther south. Perth would be the closest airport for almost all of that flight path. (Your core point is correct, this trajectory is about as remote as SpaceX can possibly get, even if it's near a small number of flights. Let's not extend NIMBYism to space and ban SpaceX from everywhere.)
- lazide 2y agoI’m a bit surprised the Southern Indian Ocean wasn’t prioritized. That is even more remote.
- alistairSH 2y agoBut why does SpaceX need so much of that space? It's a massive ocean - drop the satellites somewhere else, or at a time there aren't airlines in the way.
- vardump 2y agoMost likely they don’t, but safety margins for experimental rockets need to be large.
- wcoenen 2y agoBecause small differences early in the trajectory result in large differences later on. Think of driving a trailer backwards and imagine you weren't allowed to do corrections after a certain point.
- ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago>This is one of the more remote flights humanity operates. What even are the diversion points on this route, McMurdo airfield? The acronym ETOPS is sometimes jokingly expanded to Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim... but, in this case, it is perhaps closer to reality than usual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS
- kylehotchkiss 2y agoIn this case the water's probably cold enough nobody would need to swim for long.
- jjtheblunt 2y ago> What even are the diversion points... perhaps Diego Garcia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia