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> They have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies that are connected to the internet Well, that's the problem right there! Let's stop with

> They have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies that are connected to the internet Well, that's the problem right there! Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from.

ricardobeat 2y ago
So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago
  > So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. Great. F ‘em all. AEB and a manually operated limiter is all one needs. Maps? In-car db works well, they are updated anyway every so often. Anyway, who cares about maps when every car manufacturer tries to sell me subpar android auto or some other carplay. > In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China… Your phone doesn’t drive around the city filming every damn thing. Mine is either in the pocket or in a door bin. Now, you can of course choose to walk around the city with a phone streaming everything directly on the internet but you’ll definitely make yourself visible arguing with a group of cops about your 1st amendment rights every couple hundred yards.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. None of those require constant internet conectivity.
  - ricardobeat 2y ago
    Except for drive assist, they all actually do, at least to provide the level of experience we have come to expect. High quality speech-to-text, ML, realtime traffic updates and routing, access to endless music libraries and randomized playlists, are all cloud based. That’s like saying cooking at home doesn’t “require” a stove. Yeah you can build a fire, at a massive cost to convenience.
hulitu 2y ago
> Well, that's the problem right there! No, you no underestand. That no problem. That solution. Chinese and Russians problem. /s > Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from. The collected data wants to be sold. /s

ricardobeat 2y ago

So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…

rad_gruchalski 2y ago
> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. Great. F ‘em all. AEB and a manually operated limiter is all one needs. Maps? In-car db works well, they are updated anyway every so often. Anyway, who cares about maps when every car manufacturer tries to sell me subpar android auto or some other carplay. > In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China… Your phone doesn’t drive around the city filming every damn thing. Mine is either in the pocket or in a door bin. Now, you can of course choose to walk around the city with a phone streaming everything directly on the internet but you’ll definitely make yourself visible arguing with a group of cops about your 1st amendment rights every couple hundred yards.
hulitu 2y ago
> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. None of those require constant internet conectivity.
- ricardobeat 2y ago
  Except for drive assist, they all actually do, at least to provide the level of experience we have come to expect. High quality speech-to-text, ML, realtime traffic updates and routing, access to endless music libraries and randomized playlists, are all cloud based. That’s like saying cooking at home doesn’t “require” a stove. Yeah you can build a fire, at a massive cost to convenience.

hulitu 2y ago

> Well, that's the problem right there! No, you no underestand. That no problem. That solution. Chinese and Russians problem. /s > Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from. The collected data wants to be sold. /s