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> But does it violate Free Speech rights? I'd expect that foreigners don't have the same rights as the constitution would grant a citizen. The same goes with a

> But does it violate Free Speech rights? I'd expect that foreigners don't have the same rights as the constitution would grant a citizen. The same goes with a reasonable right to privacy - it generally only applies to citizens. The US government isn't there to protect the world (though they may appear to try sometimes).

aussiegreenie 2y ago
Europe has *MUCH* higher standards for freedom than America. Europe has privacy and America does not.
- WentFullRetard 2y ago
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- troad 2y ago
  Nonsense. Europe has more rules around the sharing of personal information, but that's because literally everyone in Europe demands your personal information. I've never been asked for more personal information than when living in Europe. "You want to ride a train? Sure, what's your mandatory national identification number? You want to register for our little video streaming website? Sure, please enter the home address you've registered with the Ministry of the Interior. Failing to report your official registered address correctly on our sign up form is a crime. Failing to register your new address with the Ministry upon moving is a crime."
  - simondanerd 2y ago
    I don't hesitate to put wrong addresses/names/data on all but the most important forms here in the USA. Email addresses? Catchall address to be whatever I want. Phone number? A rejection hotline or online burner number works a lot of the time.
    - troad 2y ago
      Agreed, but that's not quite my point. In Europe, you're asked for a lot more personal information than you and I may be used to, and it's actually verified a lot more than you may expect. You don't generally need to hand over your SSN to book an Amtrak ticket. In Europe, you not only often do, but you may well find yourself expected to present documents to verify it once you get to the train station (e.g. Spain). Virtually every business, including purely online services, will want your full address (and will often verify that the address is a real residential address by sending it to some dodgy identity-verifying third party). Very few websites will be content with a username and password. This can rise into the absurd, such as not being able to book a table at a restaurant without verifying your personal information with a dodgy B2B provider of identity services. You may have bad anecdotes of your own, but this is really a much more systematic issue in Europe than elsewhere. Europe has lots of privacy laws not because they're taking some benevolent stance against US tech, but because Europe has a genuine problem protecting their citizens' privacy on a day to day basis.

aussiegreenie 2y ago

Europe has *MUCH* higher standards for freedom than America. Europe has privacy and America does not.

WentFullRetard 2y ago
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troad 2y ago
Nonsense. Europe has more rules around the sharing of personal information, but that's because literally everyone in Europe demands your personal information. I've never been asked for more personal information than when living in Europe. "You want to ride a train? Sure, what's your mandatory national identification number? You want to register for our little video streaming website? Sure, please enter the home address you've registered with the Ministry of the Interior. Failing to report your official registered address correctly on our sign up form is a crime. Failing to register your new address with the Ministry upon moving is a crime."
- simondanerd 2y ago
  I don't hesitate to put wrong addresses/names/data on all but the most important forms here in the USA. Email addresses? Catchall address to be whatever I want. Phone number? A rejection hotline or online burner number works a lot of the time.
  - troad 2y ago
    Agreed, but that's not quite my point. In Europe, you're asked for a lot more personal information than you and I may be used to, and it's actually verified a lot more than you may expect. You don't generally need to hand over your SSN to book an Amtrak ticket. In Europe, you not only often do, but you may well find yourself expected to present documents to verify it once you get to the train station (e.g. Spain). Virtually every business, including purely online services, will want your full address (and will often verify that the address is a real residential address by sending it to some dodgy identity-verifying third party). Very few websites will be content with a username and password. This can rise into the absurd, such as not being able to book a table at a restaurant without verifying your personal information with a dodgy B2B provider of identity services. You may have bad anecdotes of your own, but this is really a much more systematic issue in Europe than elsewhere. Europe has lots of privacy laws not because they're taking some benevolent stance against US tech, but because Europe has a genuine problem protecting their citizens' privacy on a day to day basis.