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>more bloated. I cannot believe how slow and laggy even the most basic of Microsoft applications are on Windows 11. Launching something as simple as the calcul

>more bloated. I cannot believe how slow and laggy even the most basic of Microsoft applications are on Windows 11. Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. What could it possibly be doing to warrant such a long load time? The 'classic' calculator on previous versions would appear near instantly once clicked. I am also baffled as to how something like the new right click context menu can have items loading in and then changing the order of icons once they do finish loading on every single click. For example, why does Skype need to have its menu item load every time the context menu is opened? Why not pre-load this on boot? The classic context menu had no such issues. Rather than go on and on, I sense Product Owners at Microsoft no longer care about fast and performant code.

fidotron 2y ago
The Windows app development situation has become such a mess even Microsoft devs want to use Electron style containment for everything. That is the result. If in doubt, try making sense of the "Platforms" section https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/desktop/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/desktop/ and wondering if you would bet on those things being supported in 18 months time. Edit to add: I'm sure other people can chip in with more, but what I was told was the .net teams and Windows teams pulled in completely different directions. WPF/XAML was really widely liked by many developers for quite a while, then they put it on ice for no apparent reason (supposedly because the core Windows team had better ideas), and their on/off stance on this ever since has just driven everyone away.
like_any_other 2y ago
> Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. What could it possibly be doing to warrant such a long load time? Currently, telemetry [1]. Soon, "AI" probably. [1] https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator/issues/148 https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator/issues/148
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- formerly_proven 2y ago
  That repository is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time on Github, although it doesn't seem to be meant as a joke.
likeabatterycar 2y ago
Welcome to the world of managed code. The calc.exe of yesteryear was written in C IIRC but 2025 programmers need to wear protection at all costs.
reginald78 2y ago
I have a lot of smaller things to complain about in Windows but you've hit the two worst for me. I actually copied the windows 7 calculator over to my main machine because of this. For me the calculator's killer feature is loading instantly.
- BitwiseFool 2y ago
  I also copied over the 'old' windows photo viewer. The delay in loading simple screenshots was such an annoyance that I couldn't stand it. Folks on forums suggested turning off any analysis plugins, such as those meant to identify faces in photographs to speed things up. It barely made a difference.
nazgulsenpai 2y ago
I've noticed this as well since our company laptops updated to Windows 11. Launching everything is slower but especially the built-in Microsoft apps like calc, notepad and mspaint. It's incredibly frustrating.
patates 2y ago
When my laptop is on energy saving mode, the calculator crashes when opening. The snippet tool breaks the drag in the middle and delivers a partial screenshot. The system generally feels like slideshow. These didn't happen under Windows 10. Few weeks ago I also had my share of problems under Debian and I'm really thinking about getting the cheapest Mac Mini M4 and re-learning every possible computer habit I have including shortcuts because I hate the current status in any non-mac os/hardware so much. Sorry for the rant but this has been too much.
segasaturn 2y ago
The straw that broke the camel's back for me was with Outlook. They replaced the regular desktop Outlook app with "New Outlook", which is just a wrapper around Outlook.com, which is horrible and slow and buggy and even shows ads to the user. I guess they think it's a waste of money to develop a proper mail client app.
marcodiego 2y ago
> Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. You can get this feature on Linux if you use flatpaks or snaps on an older computer. I got used to bearing with it because it allows me to have a stable core OS combined with modern applications that have been released today. It's a price I'm willing to pay. Nevertheless, I don't know how slow it is on a more modern machine, I guess it is probably quite fast. Also, gnome-calculator is not an application I would install through a flatpak or snap.

fidotron 2y ago

The Windows app development situation has become such a mess even Microsoft devs want to use Electron style containment for everything. That is the result. If in doubt, try making sense of the "Platforms" section https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/desktop/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/desktop/ and wondering if you would bet on those things being supported in 18 months time. Edit to add: I'm sure other people can chip in with more, but what I was told was the .net teams and Windows teams pulled in completely different directions. WPF/XAML was really widely liked by many developers for quite a while, then they put it on ice for no apparent reason (supposedly because the core Windows team had better ideas), and their on/off stance on this ever since has just driven everyone away.

like_any_other 2y ago

> Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. What could it possibly be doing to warrant such a long load time? Currently, telemetry [1]. Soon, "AI" probably. [1] https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator/issues/148 https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator/issues/148

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formerly_proven 2y ago
That repository is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time on Github, although it doesn't seem to be meant as a joke.

likeabatterycar 2y ago

Welcome to the world of managed code. The calc.exe of yesteryear was written in C IIRC but 2025 programmers need to wear protection at all costs.

reginald78 2y ago

I have a lot of smaller things to complain about in Windows but you've hit the two worst for me. I actually copied the windows 7 calculator over to my main machine because of this. For me the calculator's killer feature is loading instantly.

BitwiseFool 2y ago
I also copied over the 'old' windows photo viewer. The delay in loading simple screenshots was such an annoyance that I couldn't stand it. Folks on forums suggested turning off any analysis plugins, such as those meant to identify faces in photographs to speed things up. It barely made a difference.

nazgulsenpai 2y ago

I've noticed this as well since our company laptops updated to Windows 11. Launching everything is slower but especially the built-in Microsoft apps like calc, notepad and mspaint. It's incredibly frustrating.

patates 2y ago

When my laptop is on energy saving mode, the calculator crashes when opening. The snippet tool breaks the drag in the middle and delivers a partial screenshot. The system generally feels like slideshow. These didn't happen under Windows 10. Few weeks ago I also had my share of problems under Debian and I'm really thinking about getting the cheapest Mac Mini M4 and re-learning every possible computer habit I have including shortcuts because I hate the current status in any non-mac os/hardware so much. Sorry for the rant but this has been too much.

segasaturn 2y ago

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was with Outlook. They replaced the regular desktop Outlook app with "New Outlook", which is just a wrapper around Outlook.com, which is horrible and slow and buggy and even shows ads to the user. I guess they think it's a waste of money to develop a proper mail client app.

marcodiego 2y ago

> Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. You can get this feature on Linux if you use flatpaks or snaps on an older computer. I got used to bearing with it because it allows me to have a stable core OS combined with modern applications that have been released today. It's a price I'm willing to pay. Nevertheless, I don't know how slow it is on a more modern machine, I guess it is probably quite fast. Also, gnome-calculator is not an application I would install through a flatpak or snap.