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US to ban Russian, Chinese software and hardware in vehicles
- grajaganDev 2y agoWow - I did not expect this. I think it is the right approach. But does it violate Free Speech rights?
- simondanerd 2y ago> But does it violate Free Speech rights? I'd expect that foreigners don't have the same rights as the constitution would grant a citizen. The same goes with a reasonable right to privacy - it generally only applies to citizens. The US government isn't there to protect the world (though they may appear to try sometimes).
- aussiegreenie 2y agoEurope has *MUCH* higher standards for freedom than America. Europe has privacy and America does not.
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- troad 2y agoNonsense. Europe has more rules around the sharing of personal information, but that's because literally everyone in Europe demands your personal information. I've never been asked for more personal information than when living in Europe. "You want to ride a train? Sure, what's your mandatory national identification number? You want to register for our little video streaming website? Sure, please enter the home address you've registered with the Ministry of the Interior. Failing to report your official registered address correctly on our sign up form is a crime. Failing to register your new address with the Ministry upon moving is a crime."
- simondanerd 2y agoI don't hesitate to put wrong addresses/names/data on all but the most important forms here in the USA. Email addresses? Catchall address to be whatever I want. Phone number? A rejection hotline or online burner number works a lot of the time.
- troad 2y agoAgreed, but that's not quite my point. In Europe, you're asked for a lot more personal information than you and I may be used to, and it's actually verified a lot more than you may expect. You don't generally need to hand over your SSN to book an Amtrak ticket. In Europe, you not only often do, but you may well find yourself expected to present documents to verify it once you get to the train station (e.g. Spain). Virtually every business, including purely online services, will want your full address (and will often verify that the address is a real residential address by sending it to some dodgy identity-verifying third party). Very few websites will be content with a username and password. This can rise into the absurd, such as not being able to book a table at a restaurant without verifying your personal information with a dodgy B2B provider of identity services. You may have bad anecdotes of your own, but this is really a much more systematic issue in Europe than elsewhere. Europe has lots of privacy laws not because they're taking some benevolent stance against US tech, but because Europe has a genuine problem protecting their citizens' privacy on a day to day basis.
- iancmceachern 2y agoFree speech is not freedom to make anything you want.
- taimurkazmi 2y agoDoes an esp32 count as Chinese hardware?
- matthews2 2y agoEspressif are a Chinese company so I would imagine so. Although you shouldn't find an ESP32 on a car anyway, they are not automotive grade parts.
- skyyler 2y agoI wish I could import a BYD vehicle.
- aussiegreenie 2y agoBYD has just cut the prices of *ALL* of its cars by about $9000 per car in Australia. The cheapest car the Dolphin is about USD 19,000.
- xzzzzzz 2y agoSame, the price without tariffs is my reference point now, I'll not be buying an overpriced domestic car just because some politicians get their pockets lined
- legitster 2y ago> "Cars today aren't just steel on wheels – they're computers," Okay, but are we putting such import restrictions on computers? I'm actually pretty okay with certain bans based on national security grounds, but they should do a better job distinguishing between the types of hardware and software that could be potentially problematic and actually do an industry-wide ban. Otherwise this is rightfully going to be picked apart on protectionist grounds.
- jickes 2y agoIt's because America has been known for it's car market for the past 100 years. China's car market is huge and growing. Look at the lineup of vehicles here vs China for companies like Ford. They have more models being sold in China than they do here. Trump is really pushing to bring manufacturing back to Detroit from Mexico as well.
- hulitu 2y ago> It's because America has been known for it's car market for the past 100 years Of course, in EU is knowledge that it is better to avoid American cars. Ford seems to be the exception though.
- _aavaa_ 2y agoAnother protectionist measure to help the laggards in the us auto industry. Will they be condemned to serve just the US market while the Chinese firms eat the rest of South America, Africa, Asia, and Europe?
- ch_sm 2y agoEurope too seems willing to install protectionist policies to help its own laggards while they’re trying to "catch up". However, it seems unlikely the me that they will (on the long term) — unless they find some huge surprise reservoir of rare earths somewhere within their borders.
- _aavaa_ 2y agoI’m not sure how much they will add at this point, Chinese brands are already selling in Europe. BMW meanwhile is wasting more time on fuel cells.
- likeabatterycar 2y agoThe Chinese auto industry was built upon IP theft from the Americans and Germans. F them.
- _aavaa_ 2y agoSo they stole EV IP and then created better and cheaper versions of cars that most Americans and German companies don’t sell?
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- Our_Benefactors 2y ago> better and cheaper Well they are definitely cheaper
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- marssaxman 2y ago> They have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies that are connected to the internet Well, that's the problem right there! Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from.
- ricardobeat 2y agoSo no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. Great. F ‘em all. AEB and a manually operated limiter is all one needs. Maps? In-car db works well, they are updated anyway every so often. Anyway, who cares about maps when every car manufacturer tries to sell me subpar android auto or some other carplay. > In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China… Your phone doesn’t drive around the city filming every damn thing. Mine is either in the pocket or in a door bin. Now, you can of course choose to walk around the city with a phone streaming everything directly on the internet but you’ll definitely make yourself visible arguing with a group of cops about your 1st amendment rights every couple hundred yards.
- hulitu 2y ago> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car. None of those require constant internet conectivity.
- ricardobeat 2y agoExcept for drive assist, they all actually do, at least to provide the level of experience we have come to expect. High quality speech-to-text, ML, realtime traffic updates and routing, access to endless music libraries and randomized playlists, are all cloud based. That’s like saying cooking at home doesn’t “require” a stove. Yeah you can build a fire, at a massive cost to convenience.
- beardyw 2y agoI think America retreating behind the ramparts is going to adversely affect other countries in the short term, but will create valuable self sufficiency in them in the long term.