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That’s over 10 years of support, seems reasonable.

zihotki 2y ago
and 10 months of support for a PC/Laptop which is being sold right now (like Dell Mini PC 6th-gen model). So is it? Why they were still selling OEM licenses to manufactures for W10 if it was going soon to expire?
- gtirloni 2y ago
  Do you mean Dell is selling a brand new PC/Laptop with Windows 10 currently?
- sieabahlpark 2y ago
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surajrmal 2y ago
It's also still the dominant windows install base. So it's a bit aggressive to drop support.
- paxys 2y ago
  Nope, 11 overtook 10 a while ago.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    According to...? Every source I look at shows 10 ahead of 11 still. October 2024: "At the end of September 2024, Windows 10 had a 62.79 percent market share and Windows 11 accounted for 33.37 percent." https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/01/windows_11_market_share/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/01/windows_11_market_sha... November 2024: "Windows 11 market share grows, but Windows 10 still twice as popular" https://www.pcworld.com/article/2508289/windows-11-market-share-grows-but-windows-10-still-twice-as-popular.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2508289/windows-11-market-sh... November 2024: "Windows 11 reaches 35% market share, but Windows 10 still leads by a wide margin" https://www.techspot.com/news/105408-windows-11-market-share-reaches-355-adoption-accelerates.html https://www.techspot.com/news/105408-windows-11-market-share... December 2024: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide/ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/d... Etc...
    - paxys 2y ago
      None of these link to a real source, and don't show how they collected the data. Steam's statistics (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/), for example, are pulled straight from their app, and are updated every month. According to that Win 11 is at 55% vs Win 10's 42%.
      - ziddoap 2y ago
        >None of these link to a real source What? The Register, PC World, and Tech Spot aren't "real sources"? >Steam's statistics Show the percentage of market share for people who game. Not total market share. Habits of gamers are very different than corporate. Gamers are a relatively small percentage of all Windows installs. There are millions and millions of machines in corporate, institutional, and government sectors that run Windows but don't run Steam.
        paxys 2y ago
        They are blogs. If you read the articles you will see that they all point to the same statcounter link as their source. And the statcounter page gives zero info on what source they used.
        ziddoap 2y ago
        So, do we agree that Steam is not representative of worldwide installs, and the data is heavily biased? >And the statcounter page gives zero info on what source they used. That is answered in the very first question of the FAQ which is linked at the top of every page: https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology >In other words we calculate our Global Stats on the basis of more than 5 billion page views per month, by people from all over the world onto our 1.5 million+ member sites.
        paxys 2y ago
        Not sure why visitors to a bunch of sites that have installed the "statcounter" tracker would be considered more representative than everyone who has installed steam.
  - wormius 2y ago
    Citation needed. Because as of Jan 2 this Register article indicates otherwise. https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/02/windows_10_grows/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/02/windows_10_grows/
foobarchu 2y ago
That would be reasonable. What's not reasonable is claiming that millions of perfectly good computers that still perform great must be thrown out and replaced. That's flat out not ok, end of conversation. This is not the 90s where a computer was obsolete in 6 months anymore. Apple also deprecates hardware with new OS versions, but they don't do it to millions simultaneously. Additionally, they don't turn their entire previous OS into nagware about upgrading every time they release a new version.
postepowanieadm 2y ago
But why? The only hardware limitation that prevents organizations from migrating to Windows 11 is TPM.
bdowling 2y ago
New machines with Windows 10 were sold in 2021. So, less than 4 years of support for those machines.

and 10 months of support for a PC/Laptop which is being sold right now (like Dell Mini PC 6th-gen model). So is it? Why they were still selling OEM licenses to manufactures for W10 if it was going soon to expire?

gtirloni 2y ago
Do you mean Dell is selling a brand new PC/Laptop with Windows 10 currently?
sieabahlpark 2y ago
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surajrmal 2y ago

It's also still the dominant windows install base. So it's a bit aggressive to drop support.

paxys 2y ago
Nope, 11 overtook 10 a while ago.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  According to...? Every source I look at shows 10 ahead of 11 still. October 2024: "At the end of September 2024, Windows 10 had a 62.79 percent market share and Windows 11 accounted for 33.37 percent." https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/01/windows_11_market_share/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/01/windows_11_market_sha... November 2024: "Windows 11 market share grows, but Windows 10 still twice as popular" https://www.pcworld.com/article/2508289/windows-11-market-share-grows-but-windows-10-still-twice-as-popular.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2508289/windows-11-market-sh... November 2024: "Windows 11 reaches 35% market share, but Windows 10 still leads by a wide margin" https://www.techspot.com/news/105408-windows-11-market-share-reaches-355-adoption-accelerates.html https://www.techspot.com/news/105408-windows-11-market-share... December 2024: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide/ https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/d... Etc...
  - paxys 2y ago
    None of these link to a real source, and don't show how they collected the data. Steam's statistics (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/), for example, are pulled straight from their app, and are updated every month. According to that Win 11 is at 55% vs Win 10's 42%.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      >None of these link to a real source What? The Register, PC World, and Tech Spot aren't "real sources"? >Steam's statistics Show the percentage of market share for people who game. Not total market share. Habits of gamers are very different than corporate. Gamers are a relatively small percentage of all Windows installs. There are millions and millions of machines in corporate, institutional, and government sectors that run Windows but don't run Steam.
      - paxys 2y ago
        They are blogs. If you read the articles you will see that they all point to the same statcounter link as their source. And the statcounter page gives zero info on what source they used.
        ziddoap 2y ago
        So, do we agree that Steam is not representative of worldwide installs, and the data is heavily biased? >And the statcounter page gives zero info on what source they used. That is answered in the very first question of the FAQ which is linked at the top of every page: https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology >In other words we calculate our Global Stats on the basis of more than 5 billion page views per month, by people from all over the world onto our 1.5 million+ member sites.
        paxys 2y ago
        Not sure why visitors to a bunch of sites that have installed the "statcounter" tracker would be considered more representative than everyone who has installed steam.
- wormius 2y ago
  Citation needed. Because as of Jan 2 this Register article indicates otherwise. https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/02/windows_10_grows/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/02/windows_10_grows/

foobarchu 2y ago

That would be reasonable. What's not reasonable is claiming that millions of perfectly good computers that still perform great must be thrown out and replaced. That's flat out not ok, end of conversation. This is not the 90s where a computer was obsolete in 6 months anymore. Apple also deprecates hardware with new OS versions, but they don't do it to millions simultaneously. Additionally, they don't turn their entire previous OS into nagware about upgrading every time they release a new version.

postepowanieadm 2y ago

But why? The only hardware limitation that prevents organizations from migrating to Windows 11 is TPM.

bdowling 2y ago

New machines with Windows 10 were sold in 2021. So, less than 4 years of support for those machines.