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> US citizens do not want this Ha ha, I guess you are discovering, many many people do want this.

by doctorpangloss 2y ago

tills13 2y ago
No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this. This is like vegans banning steak.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  You're getting it. It is like vegans banning steak! > "lower primate improv troupe" > "No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this." "Everyone's generalizations are stupid, except mine."
- loeg 2y ago
  It's like the non-addicts banning heroin. You don't have to be a Tik Tok user to understand that it's bad for it to be PRC-controlled!
  - dvngnt_ 2y ago
    yeah because they wont censor gaza information
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    That is a fine take, but the assumption that all other forms of media masses of people are exposed to aren’t also propaganda is a foolish one to make. We have an entire advertising industry in this country. Something like $300 billion in ad spend a year in the US. Ad spend is literally propaganda lest we forget.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      > aren’t also propaganda It's not that other propaganda doesn't exist, it's that a likely intended effect of Chinese propaganda is destabilization and/or delegitimization of hostile governments. Ad spend is more about destabilizing consumers' savings.
    - rsanek 2y ago
      I don't think that people are arguing that. What kind of propaganda one is exposed to matters.
  - amrocha 2y ago
    Why is it bad when China (supposedly) creates propaganda on tiktok but it’s good when the US creates propaganda on facebook? You’re not a government, you’re a person. Either way you’re being manipulated, and the US government definitely doesn’t have your best interests in mind.
    - corimaith 2y ago
      Because we live in a world of Sovereign States, where the point of discrimination very much is between Citizen and Non-Citizen? You free to renounce your citizenship and live without the Protections of the Government, there are many who would be quite happy with that to take your wealth freely then :) The only people thinking in such a arrogantly privileged manner ironically are Westerners, try saying this crap in China or India and people will laugh at you all day. Or I doubt this poster has the best interests of Americans in mind either.
      - amrocha 2y ago
        Do I have to adopt the government line of the country I was born in if I want to maintain citizenship? Am I not allowed to think for myself? How exactly is that different from a dictatorship?
    - qvrjuec 2y ago
      Is this a serious question? China has its best interests in mind, the US government has its best interests in mind. Which one of those two adversaries are more likely to align with your interests?
      - panic 2y ago
        I honestly believe the answer is China—by living in the US, its interests and my own are more likely to come into conflict, whereas China’s interests are more likely irrelevant to me.
        qvrjuec 2y ago
  - mileycyrusXOXO 2y ago
    I'd rather be able to choose to consume propaganda than for than the government to be able to decide what I should and should not consume.
    - loeg 2y ago
      Yeah, the heroin addicts say the same thing about heroin though.
      - herbst 2y ago
        And yet the systems where addicts get actual heroin instead of even worse alternatives usually work better. See Switzerland
randomcatuser 2y ago
The users for sure don't want this. Among non-users, I'd say there's a sizable difference (let's say 50/50)... Many things aren't that democratic when you look at it like that!
- theultdev 2y ago
  US citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law. Tiktok US users of voting age are already accounted for in that process, they don't get extra sway just because they use the app.
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    > US citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law. A majority of American citizens want affordable healthcare, housing, and education, net neutrality, an arms embargo vs Israel, an end to illegal forever wars, stronger environmental protections, cleaner water, less fossil fuel use and an end to fracking, etc - and there's still bipartisan resistance in our politics and media against all of those. Congress doesn't actually represent us, it represents capital. Been like that for a long time. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
    - theultdev 2y ago
      Nevertheless, the voters made their choice and actively voted for these representatives. If everyone is so outraged and there's so many TikTok users, they can rally and vote out the people who voted for this. I for one support this ban fwiw. You'll find out a lot of people do too. So in this instance and quite a few others, my representative has voted in my favor.
      - gjs278 2y ago
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      - 3vidence 2y ago

> US citizens do not want this Ha ha, I guess you are discovering, many many people do want this.

tills13 2y ago

No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this. This is like vegans banning steak.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
You're getting it. It is like vegans banning steak! > "lower primate improv troupe" > "No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this." "Everyone's generalizations are stupid, except mine."
loeg 2y ago
It's like the non-addicts banning heroin. You don't have to be a Tik Tok user to understand that it's bad for it to be PRC-controlled!
- dvngnt_ 2y ago
  yeah because they wont censor gaza information
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  That is a fine take, but the assumption that all other forms of media masses of people are exposed to aren’t also propaganda is a foolish one to make. We have an entire advertising industry in this country. Something like $300 billion in ad spend a year in the US. Ad spend is literally propaganda lest we forget.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    > aren’t also propaganda It's not that other propaganda doesn't exist, it's that a likely intended effect of Chinese propaganda is destabilization and/or delegitimization of hostile governments. Ad spend is more about destabilizing consumers' savings.
  - rsanek 2y ago
    I don't think that people are arguing that. What kind of propaganda one is exposed to matters.
- amrocha 2y ago
  Why is it bad when China (supposedly) creates propaganda on tiktok but it’s good when the US creates propaganda on facebook? You’re not a government, you’re a person. Either way you’re being manipulated, and the US government definitely doesn’t have your best interests in mind.
  - corimaith 2y ago
    Because we live in a world of Sovereign States, where the point of discrimination very much is between Citizen and Non-Citizen? You free to renounce your citizenship and live without the Protections of the Government, there are many who would be quite happy with that to take your wealth freely then :) The only people thinking in such a arrogantly privileged manner ironically are Westerners, try saying this crap in China or India and people will laugh at you all day. Or I doubt this poster has the best interests of Americans in mind either.
    - amrocha 2y ago
      Do I have to adopt the government line of the country I was born in if I want to maintain citizenship? Am I not allowed to think for myself? How exactly is that different from a dictatorship?
  - qvrjuec 2y ago
    Is this a serious question? China has its best interests in mind, the US government has its best interests in mind. Which one of those two adversaries are more likely to align with your interests?
    - panic 2y ago
      I honestly believe the answer is China—by living in the US, its interests and my own are more likely to come into conflict, whereas China’s interests are more likely irrelevant to me.
      - qvrjuec 2y ago
- mileycyrusXOXO 2y ago
  I'd rather be able to choose to consume propaganda than for than the government to be able to decide what I should and should not consume.
  - loeg 2y ago
    Yeah, the heroin addicts say the same thing about heroin though.
    - herbst 2y ago
      And yet the systems where addicts get actual heroin instead of even worse alternatives usually work better. See Switzerland

randomcatuser 2y ago

The users for sure don't want this. Among non-users, I'd say there's a sizable difference (let's say 50/50)... Many things aren't that democratic when you look at it like that!

theultdev 2y ago
US citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law. Tiktok US users of voting age are already accounted for in that process, they don't get extra sway just because they use the app.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > US citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law. A majority of American citizens want affordable healthcare, housing, and education, net neutrality, an arms embargo vs Israel, an end to illegal forever wars, stronger environmental protections, cleaner water, less fossil fuel use and an end to fracking, etc - and there's still bipartisan resistance in our politics and media against all of those. Congress doesn't actually represent us, it represents capital. Been like that for a long time. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
  - theultdev 2y ago
    Nevertheless, the voters made their choice and actively voted for these representatives. If everyone is so outraged and there's so many TikTok users, they can rally and vote out the people who voted for this. I for one support this ban fwiw. You'll find out a lot of people do too. So in this instance and quite a few others, my representative has voted in my favor.
    - gjs278 2y ago
      [dead]
    - 3vidence 2y ago