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US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole cou
by ergonaught 2y ago
US citizens do not want this.
Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things.
The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago> US citizens do not want this Ha ha, I guess you are discovering, many many people do want this.
- tills13 2y agoNo one who actually uses it or understands it wants this. This is like vegans banning steak.
- doctorpangloss 2y agoYou're getting it. It is like vegans banning steak! > "lower primate improv troupe" > "No one who actually uses it or understands it wants this." "Everyone's generalizations are stupid, except mine."
- loeg 2y agoIt's like the non-addicts banning heroin. You don't have to be a Tik Tok user to understand that it's bad for it to be PRC-controlled!
- dvngnt_ 2y agoyeah because they wont censor gaza information
- kjkjadksj 2y agoThat is a fine take, but the assumption that all other forms of media masses of people are exposed to aren’t also propaganda is a foolish one to make. We have an entire advertising industry in this country. Something like $300 billion in ad spend a year in the US. Ad spend is literally propaganda lest we forget.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago> aren’t also propaganda It's not that other propaganda doesn't exist, it's that a likely intended effect of Chinese propaganda is destabilization and/or delegitimization of hostile governments. Ad spend is more about destabilizing consumers' savings.
- rsanek 2y agoI don't think that people are arguing that. What kind of propaganda one is exposed to matters.
- amrocha 2y agoWhy is it bad when China (supposedly) creates propaganda on tiktok but it’s good when the US creates propaganda on facebook? You’re not a government, you’re a person. Either way you’re being manipulated, and the US government definitely doesn’t have your best interests in mind.
- corimaith 2y agoBecause we live in a world of Sovereign States, where the point of discrimination very much is between Citizen and Non-Citizen? You free to renounce your citizenship and live without the Protections of the Government, there are many who would be quite happy with that to take your wealth freely then :) The only people thinking in such a arrogantly privileged manner ironically are Westerners, try saying this crap in China or India and people will laugh at you all day. Or I doubt this poster has the best interests of Americans in mind either.
- amrocha 2y agoDo I have to adopt the government line of the country I was born in if I want to maintain citizenship? Am I not allowed to think for myself? How exactly is that different from a dictatorship?
- qvrjuec 2y agoIs this a serious question? China has its best interests in mind, the US government has its best interests in mind. Which one of those two adversaries are more likely to align with your interests?
- mileycyrusXOXO 2y agoI'd rather be able to choose to consume propaganda than for than the government to be able to decide what I should and should not consume.
- randomcatuser 2y agoThe users for sure don't want this. Among non-users, I'd say there's a sizable difference (let's say 50/50)... Many things aren't that democratic when you look at it like that!
- theultdev 2y agoUS citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law. Tiktok US users of voting age are already accounted for in that process, they don't get extra sway just because they use the app.
- mandmandam 2y ago> US citizens elected representatives to make laws for them. Even more so, this is a bipartisan law. A majority of American citizens want affordable healthcare, housing, and education, net neutrality, an arms embargo vs Israel, an end to illegal forever wars, stronger environmental protections, cleaner water, less fossil fuel use and an end to fracking, etc - and there's still bipartisan resistance in our politics and media against all of those. Congress doesn't actually represent us, it represents capital. Been like that for a long time. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
- theultdev 2y agoNevertheless, the voters made their choice and actively voted for these representatives. If everyone is so outraged and there's so many TikTok users, they can rally and vote out the people who voted for this. I for one support this ban fwiw. You'll find out a lot of people do too. So in this instance and quite a few others, my representative has voted in my favor.
- tdb7893 2y agoI think part of the problem is everyone thinks they are the "adult in the room" and everyone else is the "primates". I agree policy discussions are a bit of a farce though (in a sorta funny twist places like TikTok are responsible for that since the engagement metrics have a tendency to promote nonsense and lies)
- Etheryte 2y agoWe all live in a bubble that consists of the people and things we interact with. People in your bubble not wanting this doesn't mean other people outside of your bubble don't.
- dyauspitr 2y agoUS citizens most definitely want this.
- Miner49er 2y agoSome, sure, highly unlikely a majority does if you look at how many Americans use TikTok
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoHow many of those people voted? The young people who don't vote don't want this and the old people who do vote do want this. The outcome is predictable.
- t-writescode 2y agoAbout 1/3 of Americans use TikTok. When it comes to *restricting* rights (not growing them), it's very concerning that such a large percentage of people can _not_ want something and still have it forced upon them.
- tartoran 2y agoI don't think it matters who voted for what and who got elected, TikTok's ban would probably still occur.
- I_AM_A_SMURF 2y agoWe certainly _do_ want this. I think the fact that we let a foreign company own a social media platform in the first place is preposterous. As others have said, we would never let the CCP own a TV broadcast, why should we let china own a major social media platform? That's just absurd.
- iforgot22 2y agoThere are foreign-controlled TV networks in the US. Not over-the-air, but that's probably due to them being niche more than anything.
- dml2135 2y agoPart of it is almost certainly due to the FCC controlling licenses for what is broadcast over the air.
- perlgeek 2y agoYou do realize that in vast majority of all countries, all major social media platforms are owned by foreign companies? There seems to be a real risk of propaganda on Tiktok, but foreign ownership alone isn't a sound reason for a ban.
- rsanek 2y ago> foreign ownership alone isn't a sound reason for a ban You're right -- but foreign ownership by a repressive regime with undemocratic ideals certainly is. For example, I don't think anyone would be too concerned if a European country was the one that founded & owned TikTok.
- herbst 2y agoBut if it would be a US company people in Europe would have the same kind of distrust like they have right now with china. The US is even working on their great Firewall. It's red apples Vs blue apples at this point.
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- iforgot22 2y agoHey, the ADL president is a US citizen, and he said "we really have a TikTok problem."
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- drawkward 2y agoAmerica has an Israel problem.
- jhp123 2y agoPew has it at 32–28 in support of the ban[0]. I think that's pretty low for a bipartisan effort where the opposition hasn't really had a chance to air it's case. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/support-for-a-us-tiktok-ban-continues-to-decline-and-half-of-adults-doubt-it-will-happen/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/support-f...
- dlivingston 2y agoMy opinion on this has not changed since Trump tried to ban TikTok in his first term [0]: if the USA wants to ban TikTok for XYZ reason, they need to pass a general purpose law in Congress that applies equally to all foreign-owned companies. Singling out TikTok without a universal principle or law leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, and the US gov. will just be playing whack-a-mole with whatever the TikTok successor is. [0]: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/07/944039053/u-s-judge-halts-trumps-tiktok-ban-the-2nd-court-to-fully-block-the-action https://www.npr.org/2020/12/07/944039053/u-s-judge-halts-tru...
- happyopossum 2y agoShockingly, given how often congress shirks its duty these days, they did write such a law: https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr7520/BILLS-118hr7520eh.pdf https://www.congress.gov/118/bills/hr7520/BILLS-118hr7520eh....
- nashashmi 2y agoThe ones that use the app don't want this. The ones that don't use it ... don't care. Naturally either you don't want it. or you don't care.
- corimaith 2y agoThe Senator you voted for this probably voted for this so yes, America does want this.
- t-writescode 2y agoThose in leadership being against a meaningful percentage (about 30%) of those under their care is common.
- corimaith 2y agoWell let's not talk in abstract phrases, who did YOU vote for, and did you not find it probable that they would support such actions?
- t-writescode 2y agoI voted for a Democrat; and I also was a loud fighter against previous attempts at a TikTok ban. That * my representatives didn't vote in line with my requests *and* * that they tend to vote in line with me for other issues *and* * that there are no other viable options either due to no competition or worse competition Does not negate that my "representative" is not representing me.
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- kansface 2y agoI'm for the ban chiefly on the grounds of economic fairness in access to markets. China doesn't allow access to any US social media products. We should only open our doors to Chinese companies conditioned on reciprocation.
- valleyjo 2y agoI’m a us citizen and I do want this. Speak for yourself. China bans us social media. Us should ban Chinese social media.
- herbst 2y agoWhere is that whataboutism coming from. What has the one to do with the other? Do you want a great Firewall for America? Is that what this is about?
- drawkward 2y agoI am a US Citizen and I 100% want this. I think this is far too small a step; I think all social media should be banned.
- dns_snek 2y agoBut this isn't about banning social media, it's about banning dissent. Would you feel the same way if the US government banned all mainstream media organizations except the ones you ideologically oppose?
- drawkward 2y ago> it's about banning dissent On the contrary, I think it is about banning a propaganda and social engineering vector that is under the thumb of an adversarial foreign government. That, for me, is enough of a reason to ban it and justify it under our constitution. The fact that I am in favor of banning all social media should tell you that it is not ideological, but rather that I think social media is extremely addictive, and has huge negative externalities.
- dns_snek 2y ago> The fact that I am in favor of banning all social media should tell you that it is not ideological, I'm not accusing you of being ideologically motivated, I just think that your (otherwise understandable) support for banning social media is inadvertently helping a bad actor in stifling freedom of speech. Could China be using TikTok to spread propaganda in the US? Sure, but I haven't seen any evidence supporting this and if there was concrete proof I'd support the ban. Meanwhile the US government is labeling truthful discussions about Israel's genocide "antisemitic propaganda" and using them as motivation for the TikTok ban. On one side we have vague communist boogeymen, on the other there's expressed desire to take control of unpleasant narratives. That tells me that they're really just trying to take away people's ability to discuss their dissenting ideas.
- Cookingboy 2y ago> I think it is about banning a propaganda The problem of allowing government banning propaganda is it allows government to ban anything they label as propaganda. There is no law defining what's propaganda, so you just end up with the government being able to ban any information they don't like. Imagine the government drums up for another illegal war like Iraq using fake evidence, and we ban all counter evidence as "foreign propaganda". Do you not see how dangerous that gets? >That, for me, is enough of a reason to ban it and justify it under our constitution The Supreme Court has explicitly ruled in the past foreign propaganda is protected speech under First Amendment. You cannot strip American citizens' rights to receive foreign propaganda if they choose to do so.