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I’m wondering, what are we seeing here? Actual difference in ingredients used, or a difference in regulations requiring listing all ingredients?
by lovecg 2y ago
I’m wondering, what are we seeing here? Actual difference in ingredients used, or a difference in regulations requiring listing all ingredients?
- alchemist1e9 2y ago[flagged]
- fnimick 2y agoI mean, he's still a nutcase. He can be right about some things for the wrong reasons. If you hit upon a scientifically accurate conclusion through an unrigorous process, basically by pure chance, this doesn't make you a good scientist.
- alchemist1e9 2y agoExcept he isn’t a nutcase. They twist his words incredibly. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/14/los_angeles_times_owner_robert_f_kennedy_jr_knows_more_about_the_science_than_most_doctors.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/14/los_angel... So many people who opposed him and then take the time to understand what is actually saying, not what they have been told he is saying, come to realize he is completely sane. Bernie Sanders is on that list fwiw.
- dpkirchner 2y agoThe proof here seems to be an interview with someone (owner of the LA Times) who talked with RFK for a few hours came away believing he knows more than doctors. Is that right?
- blindriver 2y agoYes, the owner of the LA times is an actual doctor and transplant surgeon.
- kstrauser 2y agoBen Carson was a respected neurosurgeon before he publicly stated that, quote, "Joseph built the pyramids to store grain." You can be brilliant in one field and an idiot in everything else.
- blindriver 2y agoI was talking about Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong not Dr. Ben Carson. Care to show any evidence that Soon-Shiong is an idiot? Just because one doctor is stupid doesn't invalidate all doctors, does it? In that case, Dr. Ben Carson would be proof that Dr. Fauci is also an idiot.
- kstrauser 2y agoOf course not, but it highlights the risk of Appeal to Authority: one's expertise in a specific field does not make them experts in others, even ones adjacent to their own. For a more local example, I have a lot of experience writing Python. Someone outside the field might mistakenly think my opinions on, say, Java, are equally informed. They're not.
- blindriver 2y agoDr. Soon-Shiong was responsible for developing oncology drugs. Does that give him enough authority for him to evaluate RFK Jr's stance on drug safety? You haven't researched him at all, have you?
- kstrauser 2y agoOf course not. That would make him an expert on developing oncology drugs, not on the ethics of drug safety and especially not on communicable disease control. If chemotherapy meds had the incredibly low adverse reaction rates of common vaccines with the same typically high effectiveness, I bet his general opinions on the subject would be different. No, of course we shouldn't require school children to get preventative chemotherapy because the risk-reward ratio would be awful. And of course we should vaccinate them against polio because there's trivial risk in the prevention compared to the life-altering effects of the illness.
- azinman2 2y agoHe filed to get the FDA to revoke the polio vaccine. He’s rabidly anti-vax, routinely spewing lies that have been debunked repeatedly. He is absolutely a nut case that happens to have some points of view that many could agree with.
- blindriver 2y ago[flagged]
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- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago[flagged]
- blindriver 2y ago[flagged]
- kstrauser 2y agoMy wife's a doctor, and had patients begging her for leftover Vioxx samples after Merck pulled it from the market, preferring to take their chances with heart issues rather than living in agonizing pain that Vioxx was especially good at treating. Turns out medicine's complicated, who knew?
- blindriver 2y agoJust because a drug works well doesn't mean that it's moral to release a drug that knowingly kills tens of thousands of people a year and then hide that data.
- kstrauser 2y agoI agree. In my opinion, hiding the risk was the sin, not releasing the drug. Many, many people with chronic pain conditions would gladly accept the risk. It's kind of the same with any treatment: chemotherapy may make you incredibly sick before it saves you. Willow tree bark may fix your headache but cause you to bleed profusely. Homeopathy may make you die of whatever you were sick with before it cures your dehydration. Everything has its tradeoffs.
- blindriver 2y agoWe need to the full information in order to make our own choices. Right now pharma companies hide a lot of the information, including from clinical trials from drugs. All the data should be released and not hidden so that people can make their own choices on what medications they take and if they want to risk taking it, that's fine because they have all the information and they can make their own risk/reward judgement. Looks like you, me and RFK Jr. are perfectly aligned.
- nozzlegear 2y agoWhoa, hold on. RFK may be right about this one thing in the same way a broken clock happens to occasionally be right, but let's not rush to take away his nutcase title. He has some truly messed up opinions about a variety of topics.
- alchemist1e9 2y agoLike what? are you sure you understand his opinions? Many who finally talk to him directly who thought like you do find out maybe not so crazy. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/14/los_angeles_times_owner_robert_f_kennedy_jr_knows_more_about_the_science_than_most_doctors.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/14/los_angel...
- yakz 2y agoI fail to see how your link supports your questioning or your statement, could you explain it? It looks like it's just the opinion of the owner of the Los Angeles Times, a person that some might feel is heavily biased.
- alchemist1e9 2y agoI’ll quote from another comment in this thread: > LA Times owner Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong is a doctor and transplant surgeon and invented drugs to fight pancreatic and other forms of cancer. He ACTUALLY talked to RFK Jr. and after listening to him talk and what he had to say instead of relying on mainstream media propaganda, he changed his opinion on him.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoRFK Jr is not a good person, is not a smart person, and we should not attempt to whitewash or legitimize him. He has a complex early life, but his actions today are his own choices. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-rfk-jr-episodes-198487913/ https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236...
- klik99 2y agoSomeone can be a nutcase but be right about some things. Also, seeing photo of him slurping up McDonald’s on the plane, guess healthy food isn’t the highest priority for him? Just the one he’s loudest about
- s1artibartfast 2y agoEvery time I see this, I don't get it. It only make sense as a "gotcha" if you believe in absolutist purity tests. He looks fit and healthy. Is there a video somewhere of him swearing on a bible that he will die before eating McDonalds?
- alchemist1e9 2y agoInstead there are many videos of him talking about that McDonalds incident and how terrible Trump’s food choices are and he had nothing else to eat! Also there are memes from that picture of him grimacing and how frustrated he was.
- klik99 2y agoLet me be more explicit about my point. I believe RFK genuinely wants to promote healthy living, and I agree with that. But Trump requires loyalty to be part of his inner circle and forcing RFK to eat mcds is getting RFK to prove that loyalty. RFK obviously hated eating that burger. My point is, if he’s willing to compromise his values for access to power does he really prioritize his values or does he prioritize access to power? No “gotcha”, I’m not a partisan. I don’t like Trump but there are a few things he’s done I like, but even with those I often don’t like HOW he did it. For example Greenland, I think that’s great for USs long term prospects (shipping routes), but to say military action is on the table is reckless. Not every criticism is a gotcha, and just because I disagree with 90% of what RFK believes doesn’t mean I don’t think his commitment to healthy eating is good. Maybe that you read a criticism as an absolute indictment of someone shows you have more purity tests than what you criticize. Hope someday you get it
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
- philistine 2y agoA broken clock is right once a day. RFK Jr. is not the nutcase we're told he is, he's a very slight different kind of nutcase that's just as bad because he mixes legitimate concerns with his absolutely insane point of view, and uses the same spurious arguments for both, muddying the water for everyone.
- blindriver 2y agoWhat is insane?
- philistine 2y agoHis belief that vaccines cause autism.
- blindriver 2y ago[flagged]
- philistine 2y agoIt's been throughly studied and debunked. Are you aware that there are countries other than the US where they have researched those claims?
- blindriver 2y agoAre you against the FDA releasing all the data from the pharmaceutical companies so that others can conduct their own studies from full data? Right now every single head of the HHS, FDA and CDC want to protect pharma companies and let them hide all their data. RFK Jr. is the first candidate that isn't looking for a job in industry afterwards and wants to actually free the data for the sake of the American people. For that alone I think he should be head of HHS. As far as I've seen the only debunking has been done on single vaccines like MMR, not on the full schedule of vaccines. And it's a lie to say that they have been thoroughly debunked. Studies have shown that some vaccines can cause allergic reactions. Autistic children have over a 3X rate of food allergies or neurotypical children. Doesn't that warrant studying that maybe adjuvants are causing an immune response and the immune response causes autism?
- dyauspitr 2y agoRFK Jr. is very wrong about some very important things and those already make him a dangerous nutcase.
- alchemist1e9 2y agoYou’re told he is wrong but I strongly suspect what you’re told he believes or says about those very important things is not what he actually does.
- tomjakubowski 2y agoYeah, take the Doritos as an example: the UK bag lists "Cheese Powder", the US bag lists "Cheddar Cheese" with sub-ingredients in parentheses (plus Whey and Skim Milk). What is in the UK Doritos' "Cool Original Flavour" (read: Ranch) ingredient? Maybe something like Tomato Powder, Onion Powder, Garlic Powder, Buttermilk, Natural and Artificial Flavors?