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Wrong 1. China asked American SNS companys to 'obey Chinese laws', which mostly refer to content control and data ownership, these companys refused, China didn

by suraci 2y ago

Wrong 1. China asked American SNS companys to 'obey Chinese laws', which mostly refer to content control and data ownership, these companys refused, China didn'tforced them to sell 2. Are you sure to play the 'same as what China does'? hey, we are a totalitarian, authoritarian, dictatorial regime, are we same? think twice

whimsicalism 2y ago
1. Yes, China forced the sale of Uber China to Didi - this is well documented. 2. Did I say that? No. I am opposed to the tiktok ban
- suraci 2y ago
  China forced the sale of Uber China to Didi - this is well documented really? > https://www.bbc.com/news/36938812 https://www.bbc.com/news/36938812 > https://www.heritage.org/international-economies/commentary/uber-forced-out-china https://www.heritage.org/international-economies/commentary/... Let me tell you a cruel fact - Uber is completely unable to compete with Didi. You have no idea how fierce the competition in this industry in China is. Uber died before it grew up in China
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    Uber got 33%+ market share. From your article: > If Uber had become a commercial success in China, Chinese authorities ultimately would have clamped down to protect their domestic competitors. > firms that do occasionally find success often face headwinds from Chinese regulators who limit their access to the domestic market. > Didi naturally had state-backed funding, receiving a significant cash infusion from China's large sovereign-wealth fund. > "Uber China" sought local investors. The hope was that, with local investors, the Chinese operation would be spared some of the hamstringing restrictions typically imposed on foreign businesses. China is well-known to have intense domestic favoritism. Not sure where the profit is in denying that, given your own sources seem to clearly state it and even name a number of channels through which the state puts their thumb on the scale, not just regulatory but also through financing.
    - suraci 2y ago
      You can ignore my following comments if this will make you feel better... > *If* Uber had become a commercial success in China, Chinese authorities ultimately *would* have clamped down to protect their domestic competitors. classic demonizing and loser's execuse > firms that do occasionally find success often face headwinds from Chinese regulators who limit their access to the domestic market. every other demestic companys face headwinds from Chinese regulators, just like I mentioned above, and Apple, Tesla, Google, Microsoft, they all in same situation, some of them couldn't handle this so they leaved, some stays Also, DiDi once were banned more than 2 years by authorities, it survived > Didi naturally had state-backed funding, receiving a significant cash infusion from China's large sovereign-wealth fund The 'STATE-BACKED' is a typical word used by certain people, it's just some kind of gov investment funds, there're dozens and invested thousands private companys, it's a Socialism country, it's called socialism, what do you expect? Didi is not even a state-owned enterprise. And is this equals to "force to sell"? > some of the hamstringing restrictions typically imposed on foreign businesses. Bruh > China is well-known to have intense domestic favoritism. That's true, and? many Chinese people also have intense domestic favoritism BTW, Apple is losing market share in China. However, take it easy, I don't think Apple will be sold to Huawei. Moreover, Apple is produced by Chinese and Indian, why bothered?
      - otterley 2y ago
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        suraci 2y ago
        Ehh...yes?
kube-system 2y ago
Heck, China forced Apple to divest iCloud to the government of Guizhou.
- suraci 2y ago
  it's about data ownership, part of data compliance, citizen data can not be pass to abroad, of course, it's also about content censorship Microsoft and Tesla accepted the same rule You can understand it as the US gov requiring TikTok's data must be hosted by Microsoft in the US
lenerdenator 2y ago
If we played the same as China does, we'd be hacking Baidu through a vulnerability in a Microsoft web browser until they withdrew completely from the American market.
- amrocha 2y ago
  Have you heard of the NSA
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    I'm not saying we don't hack them. I'm saying we don't hack them with the goal of driving them out of the American market, which is what happened to Google's PRC operations.
    - protimewaster 2y ago
      We hacked Huawei and drove them out, but those were separate incidents. I'm not convinced it puts the US in a morally superior position, though.
- scotty79 2y ago
  > If we played the same as China does, we'd be hacking Baidu through a vulnerability in a Microsoft web browser We don't?
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    With the goal of driving them out of the US? I just typed https://www.baidu.com https://www.baidu.com into my browser bar, hit enter, and their page loaded.
    - scotty79 2y ago
      Why throw out something hackable? Apparently they couldn't hack TikTok so they thrown them out.
RestlessMind 2y ago
2. The game can be slightly different. "hey, we are open by default. but if an authoritarian regimes wants to exploit our openness by marketing their apps while at the same time banning our apps from their market, then we will strike back". paradox of intolerance and all that..

by suraci 2y ago

whimsicalism 2y ago

1. Yes, China forced the sale of Uber China to Didi - this is well documented. 2. Did I say that? No. I am opposed to the tiktok ban

suraci 2y ago
China forced the sale of Uber China to Didi - this is well documented really? > https://www.bbc.com/news/36938812 https://www.bbc.com/news/36938812 > https://www.heritage.org/international-economies/commentary/uber-forced-out-china https://www.heritage.org/international-economies/commentary/... Let me tell you a cruel fact - Uber is completely unable to compete with Didi. You have no idea how fierce the competition in this industry in China is. Uber died before it grew up in China
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  Uber got 33%+ market share. From your article: > If Uber had become a commercial success in China, Chinese authorities ultimately would have clamped down to protect their domestic competitors. > firms that do occasionally find success often face headwinds from Chinese regulators who limit their access to the domestic market. > Didi naturally had state-backed funding, receiving a significant cash infusion from China's large sovereign-wealth fund. > "Uber China" sought local investors. The hope was that, with local investors, the Chinese operation would be spared some of the hamstringing restrictions typically imposed on foreign businesses. China is well-known to have intense domestic favoritism. Not sure where the profit is in denying that, given your own sources seem to clearly state it and even name a number of channels through which the state puts their thumb on the scale, not just regulatory but also through financing.
  - suraci 2y ago
    You can ignore my following comments if this will make you feel better... > *If* Uber had become a commercial success in China, Chinese authorities ultimately *would* have clamped down to protect their domestic competitors. classic demonizing and loser's execuse > firms that do occasionally find success often face headwinds from Chinese regulators who limit their access to the domestic market. every other demestic companys face headwinds from Chinese regulators, just like I mentioned above, and Apple, Tesla, Google, Microsoft, they all in same situation, some of them couldn't handle this so they leaved, some stays Also, DiDi once were banned more than 2 years by authorities, it survived > Didi naturally had state-backed funding, receiving a significant cash infusion from China's large sovereign-wealth fund The 'STATE-BACKED' is a typical word used by certain people, it's just some kind of gov investment funds, there're dozens and invested thousands private companys, it's a Socialism country, it's called socialism, what do you expect? Didi is not even a state-owned enterprise. And is this equals to "force to sell"? > some of the hamstringing restrictions typically imposed on foreign businesses. Bruh > China is well-known to have intense domestic favoritism. That's true, and? many Chinese people also have intense domestic favoritism BTW, Apple is losing market share in China. However, take it easy, I don't think Apple will be sold to Huawei. Moreover, Apple is produced by Chinese and Indian, why bothered?
    - otterley 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - suraci 2y ago
        Ehh...yes?

kube-system 2y ago

Heck, China forced Apple to divest iCloud to the government of Guizhou.

suraci 2y ago
it's about data ownership, part of data compliance, citizen data can not be pass to abroad, of course, it's also about content censorship Microsoft and Tesla accepted the same rule You can understand it as the US gov requiring TikTok's data must be hosted by Microsoft in the US

lenerdenator 2y ago

If we played the same as China does, we'd be hacking Baidu through a vulnerability in a Microsoft web browser until they withdrew completely from the American market.

amrocha 2y ago
Have you heard of the NSA
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  I'm not saying we don't hack them. I'm saying we don't hack them with the goal of driving them out of the American market, which is what happened to Google's PRC operations.
  - protimewaster 2y ago
    We hacked Huawei and drove them out, but those were separate incidents. I'm not convinced it puts the US in a morally superior position, though.
scotty79 2y ago
> If we played the same as China does, we'd be hacking Baidu through a vulnerability in a Microsoft web browser We don't?
- deleted 2y ago
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- lenerdenator 2y ago
  With the goal of driving them out of the US? I just typed https://www.baidu.com https://www.baidu.com into my browser bar, hit enter, and their page loaded.
  - scotty79 2y ago
    Why throw out something hackable? Apparently they couldn't hack TikTok so they thrown them out.

RestlessMind 2y ago

2. The game can be slightly different. "hey, we are open by default. but if an authoritarian regimes wants to exploit our openness by marketing their apps while at the same time banning our apps from their market, then we will strike back". paradox of intolerance and all that..