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Tiktok(or other algorithm-suggesting platforms) provides echo chambers for each user HN/subreddit provides a single echo chamber for everyone that's why I lik

by suraci 2y ago

Tiktok(or other algorithm-suggesting platforms) provides echo chambers for each user HN/subreddit provides a single echo chamber for everyone that's why I like HN more, I don't want to be in my echo chamber, I perfer visiting your chamber

NoGravitas 2y ago
I mean, you're not wrong. I come to HN to see how awful the tech ghouls are being today.
- dang 2y ago
  "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 2y ago
You're welcome here, and you're welcome to express contrarian views—that's an important part of an intellectually curious community, which is our goal with HN. However, we need you to do it while sticking to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You've unfortunately been breaking them in various places already. I know how hard it is to be in the minority on a contentious topic without getting provoked (and then becoming provocative oneself), but that's what we need commenters with minority views to do. Otherwise we end up having to moderate the accounts, not because we want to suppress minority views but because we have to enforce HN's rules. I've written about this extensively because it's such a consistent phenomenon. Here's one post if you (or anyone) wants a fuller explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722. There are plenty more at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... It's in your interest to do this, because then you maximize the persuasive power of your comments. Conversely, if you succumb to the pressure to be indignant and/or snarky and/or flamey and so on, that ends up discrediting your views, which is particularly damaging if they happen to be true: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... (p.s. I'm an admin here in case that wasn't obvious)
- suraci 2y ago
  sorry being snarky, hard to help it, my bad, again and there's misunderstanding, I was not provoked, at least in the comment above it's not a critique to HN, in fact, isn't it obvious that HN inevitably ends to a echo chamber? unpopular opinions greyed out, popular opinions ranked up, wasn't it design to be this? it's not that bad, most communities are echo chambers
  - nibbles 2y ago
    You are 100% correct but HN mods will pretend this is not the case. This site is heavily moderated just like all major subreddits. Dissenting opinion will be silenced either by gang-flagging or dang taking action personally. HN is reddit in a tie.
- nibbles 2y ago
  > you're welcome to express contrarian views—that's an important part of an intellectually curious community, which is our goal with HN Well, that's a straight out lie! :)
  - dang 2y ago
    We don't ban accounts for expressing minority or contrarian views. We do ban accounts for breaking the site guidelines, especially when they do it repeatedly. But nobody ever says "I was banned for breaking the site guidelines". What they do instead is make new accounts to claim "I was banned for my contrarian views". How noble that sounds! https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20noble%20freethink&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... The tell is that they never supply links (e.g. to their previous account(s) or the place(s) they were banned). If moderation is so bad, why not allow readers to see what actually happened and make up their own minds? And yet these complaints are always linkless... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20linkless&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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by suraci 2y ago

NoGravitas 2y ago

I mean, you're not wrong. I come to HN to see how awful the tech ghouls are being today.

dang 2y ago
"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." It's reliably a marker of bad comments and worse threads. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 2y ago

You're welcome here, and you're welcome to express contrarian views—that's an important part of an intellectually curious community, which is our goal with HN. However, we need you to do it while sticking to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You've unfortunately been breaking them in various places already. I know how hard it is to be in the minority on a contentious topic without getting provoked (and then becoming provocative oneself), but that's what we need commenters with minority views to do. Otherwise we end up having to moderate the accounts, not because we want to suppress minority views but because we have to enforce HN's rules. I've written about this extensively because it's such a consistent phenomenon. Here's one post if you (or anyone) wants a fuller explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948722. There are plenty more at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... It's in your interest to do this, because then you maximize the persuasive power of your comments. Conversely, if you succumb to the pressure to be indignant and/or snarky and/or flamey and so on, that ends up discrediting your views, which is particularly damaging if they happen to be true: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... (p.s. I'm an admin here in case that wasn't obvious)

suraci 2y ago
sorry being snarky, hard to help it, my bad, again and there's misunderstanding, I was not provoked, at least in the comment above it's not a critique to HN, in fact, isn't it obvious that HN inevitably ends to a echo chamber? unpopular opinions greyed out, popular opinions ranked up, wasn't it design to be this? it's not that bad, most communities are echo chambers
- nibbles 2y ago
  You are 100% correct but HN mods will pretend this is not the case. This site is heavily moderated just like all major subreddits. Dissenting opinion will be silenced either by gang-flagging or dang taking action personally. HN is reddit in a tie.
nibbles 2y ago
> you're welcome to express contrarian views—that's an important part of an intellectually curious community, which is our goal with HN Well, that's a straight out lie! :)
- dang 2y ago
  We don't ban accounts for expressing minority or contrarian views. We do ban accounts for breaking the site guidelines, especially when they do it repeatedly. But nobody ever says "I was banned for breaking the site guidelines". What they do instead is make new accounts to claim "I was banned for my contrarian views". How noble that sounds! https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20noble%20freethink&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... The tell is that they never supply links (e.g. to their previous account(s) or the place(s) they were banned). If moderation is so bad, why not allow readers to see what actually happened and make up their own minds? And yet these complaints are always linkless... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20linkless&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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