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It can in fact. You should read "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent" by James Duane - the guy who went viral on youtube for explaining why you should never t

It can in fact. You should read "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent" by James Duane - the guy who went viral on youtube for explaining why you should never talk to the police and later tried very hard to delete all uploads of this video. Because in the real world that strategy is more likely to get you convicted after all. Especially since the Supreme Court massively weakened the Fifth Amendement in 2013.

echoangle 2y ago
> the guy who went viral on youtube for explaining why you should never talk to the police and later tried very hard to delete all uploads of this video Do you have a source for that?
- sigmoid10 2y ago
  He mentions it in this talk for example: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-FENubmZGj8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=-FENubmZGj8 It also seems like he succeeded, because the original and all reuploads except for some ultra low-quality copies are gone from youtube.
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    The bit about where money from the book would go was hilarious and also a great example of stereotypical attorney humor.
  - echoangle 2y ago
    There's no mention in this of him trying to delete uploads (or I missed it, do you have a timestamp?). And also, the original lecture isn't a reupload but found on the channel of his own university (both at the time of the first and the second lecture): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
    - sigmoid10 2y ago
      He mentions it several times throughout the talk. It's been a while since I've seen it, so I don't remember the times. But the whole talk basically tries to publicly revert his earlier view from the old presentation. The low quality dupe you found was uploaded years after the original video.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
        > But the whole talk basically tries to publicly revert his earlier view from the old presentation. Damn, you need to watch it again. He only updates the advice to say that one needs to be explicit about their intention to remain silent and await an attorney.
ruthmarx 2y ago
> and later tried very hard to delete all uploads of this video. I didn't know that, that's pretty interesting. > Because in the real world that strategy is more likely to get you convicted after all. I don't think that's true. That's true for not cooperating, but you should do so with a lawyer. You shouldn't' talk to police until you get a lawyer. That's all.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  If you watch the talk they linked to you can see that the advice has been updated to be "you must explicitly tell the officers you want a lawyer" and it has nothing to do with retracting his previous advice. The original "Don't Talk to the Police" upload seems to still be there (uploaded 12 years ago). Do wait for your attorney to be present but also explicitly tell the officers that you will refrain from any more discussion until then.

echoangle 2y ago

> the guy who went viral on youtube for explaining why you should never talk to the police and later tried very hard to delete all uploads of this video Do you have a source for that?

sigmoid10 2y ago
He mentions it in this talk for example: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-FENubmZGj8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=-FENubmZGj8 It also seems like he succeeded, because the original and all reuploads except for some ultra low-quality copies are gone from youtube.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  The bit about where money from the book would go was hilarious and also a great example of stereotypical attorney humor.
- echoangle 2y ago
  There's no mention in this of him trying to delete uploads (or I missed it, do you have a timestamp?). And also, the original lecture isn't a reupload but found on the channel of his own university (both at the time of the first and the second lecture): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
  - sigmoid10 2y ago
    He mentions it several times throughout the talk. It's been a while since I've seen it, so I don't remember the times. But the whole talk basically tries to publicly revert his earlier view from the old presentation. The low quality dupe you found was uploaded years after the original video.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      > But the whole talk basically tries to publicly revert his earlier view from the old presentation. Damn, you need to watch it again. He only updates the advice to say that one needs to be explicit about their intention to remain silent and await an attorney.

ruthmarx 2y ago

> and later tried very hard to delete all uploads of this video. I didn't know that, that's pretty interesting. > Because in the real world that strategy is more likely to get you convicted after all. I don't think that's true. That's true for not cooperating, but you should do so with a lawyer. You shouldn't' talk to police until you get a lawyer. That's all.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
If you watch the talk they linked to you can see that the advice has been updated to be "you must explicitly tell the officers you want a lawyer" and it has nothing to do with retracting his previous advice. The original "Don't Talk to the Police" upload seems to still be there (uploaded 12 years ago). Do wait for your attorney to be present but also explicitly tell the officers that you will refrain from any more discussion until then.