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The sad part, the "do not care" attitude is infectious. Maybe there is a bright-eyed programmer who just joined and who wants to make UX better. They are full

by theamk 2y ago

The sad part, the "do not care" attitude is infectious. Maybe there is a bright-eyed programmer who just joined and who wants to make UX better. They are full of enthusiasm, but nobody (around them) cares. They are fixing the most annoying bugs that users complained forever about.. but they is not recognized, because nobody (around them) cares. They hope to show a good example but nobody cares. Instead they get negative feedback when instead of blindly implementing horribly-designed feature, they are trying to fix it so it won't be so user-hostile. Eventually they give up and stop caring. When asked what they like about the job, their answer is "stability" and "job security".

EGreg 2y ago
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- satvikpendem 2y ago
  Downvoted because this is off topic and should be on a proper Show HN, not in a random thread.
  - EGreg 2y ago
    I think it's on topic as it shows exactly what OP was talking about (Instead they get negative feedback) is not confined to workplaces, but is prevalent right here, too. "No one cares" is almost correct. Some people will care, but most will downvote you and criticize you. Oh by the way ... I tried doing a "Show HN" with it. It just got buried after getting 1 like. If you post something that people take a while to engage with, then they don't come back to HN to upvote it fast enough. So it gets eclipsed by stuff that's memey and fun. Result: no one cares.
    - spencerflem 2y ago
      I feel like there's "nobody cares about what I do" and "nobody cares about how they affect other people" which are related but subtly different and imo. GP was more about the first and TFA more the second.
    - dijksterhuis 2y ago
      you did a Show HN and it sounds like it didn’t work out. that sucks to hear pal. it might be worth taking some time to reflect on what your part in that was and what you might do differently next time.
      - EGreg 2y ago
        My part was posting the link Sometimes the same link can go viral and other times it doesnt But the real issue is when people follow the link and get enagaged and dont come back to HN to upvote it fast enough before it scrolls off the page
    - theamk 2y ago
      Most people don't care about about most things, that's normal. But people should be caring about their jobs, and that's OP's (and mine) point. Thousands of rock bands released new songs today. I don't care, and that's OK. But if a rock magazine editor does not care about them, it would be bad. Latest Microsoft C# has new lock type. I absolutely don't care, and that's OK. But if someone working with high-performance C# does not care, they are doing a bad job. At my work, I've just released a new version of internal tool I've worked hard on. Majority of the company do not care at all, and that's fine. But those users who use daily? I expect them to read the announcement and take notice. My local park has a burned-out streetlight. Most people don't care. But I'd expect my town's public works department to care, or they are doing a bad job. I've submitted a very interesting link to HN. Most people did not care (as evidenced by a very small number of upvotes). But I'd expect ... nah, I don't actually expect anyone to care. There is not a single person on this earth whose job is to care about things I post on HN.
- treve 2y ago
  OP is talking about folks caring about making their environment a bit better, care about their craft or care about making an effort to make the world a better place. It's not really the same thing as your work not resonating with people.
  - EGreg 2y ago
    When I said OP I meant theamk
- jondwillis 2y ago
  You’ve been making commits for four months?
  - EGreg 2y ago
    Check the github for a repo named PlatformHistory. I pruned it 4 months ago and broke up the whole monorepo into subrepos
- jdenning 2y ago
  I just took a look at your project - you really need to simplify the README. I read the whole thing but it’s still not clear to me what you app actually does. I have no idea what a “Social Operating System” is supposed to be. Seems like it’s a web/mobile app framework, but it’s completely unclear why I would want to use it. You need an “elevator pitch”. There are hundreds of frameworks, if you want developers to use yours, maybe show some example code? No one is going to spend a bunch of effort trying to build with your framework if they can’t see an advantage. Not trying to be a hater, I care and want you to succeed Edit: just read some of the links in the readme - so it also has something to do with crypto and micropayments? Why would I want to use your “QBUX”? Would a developer only be able to get paid in your crypto? If so, why should they trust that you won’t rugpull? If you want people to care about your project, you need to think about what they care about (pro tip: nobody cares about making you rich via support contracts or shitcoin schemes. Sorry.)
  - theamk 2y ago
    See also: Zombocom problem [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542280
  - EGreg 2y ago
    I am not sure what you read that said any of the things you asserted in the "Edit" section. None of that is true. The token doesn't even exist yet. There is no "rugpull" possible in any event. But I think this illustrates perfectly what I said originally. Context matters. The context on HN is "I see a word that triggers me (token / web3) somewhere and I immediately assume all these things I haven't seen or read, and forget about anything you actually did." That's why it is very important how you present things. The original Facebook was just a bunch of profiles in php. And yet people used it like mad and investors camped out Zuck's dorm room. It's not so much about what you build but how you present it.
    - theamk 2y ago
      You are focusing on technical details too much, I don't think any of the initial Facebook users cared if it was php or not, they cared about what they saw on the screen. While presentation definitely matters, the product itself has to be actually interesting (especially on HN). For example, current HN's top post is about Anthropic - and I don't even know what their stack looks like! On the other side, if the product's is Yet Another PHP Framework then your target audience is (1) PHP developers who are (2) unsatisfied with existing frameworks they know and (3) willing to spend hours to try the unknown thing. This is a pretty narrow category.
- theamk 2y ago
  I don't think it's similar at all, unless you have some sort of directors/investors telling you what to do (based on your comments, you don't) I (and OP) was talking about people who have power over the product (software engineers, managers, designers) not caring. In your case, people with power over product (you) clearly care very much, it's just the product is not interesting to others. (Which kinda makes sense? It's yet another PHP framework with AI and Crypto, and there is plenty of them...)
mulnz 2y ago
These people show up, offer trivially incorrect or untenable solutions to the trickiest problems. Rarely do they have the insight that fixes them. Often they do things that introduce more risk.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  That's one possibility - Here's a story of the burnout of one of the GNOME terminal maintainers https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vte/-/issues/259 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vte/-/issues/259 In a situation where no amount of effort seems to be enough its really easy to not see the point anymore
- theamk 2y ago
  Not all problems are tricky, there are plenty of easy-to-fix bugs that go unfixed. For example, there is an internal product that I use daily that has broken http links in error/status messages.

by theamk 2y ago

EGreg 2y ago

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satvikpendem 2y ago
Downvoted because this is off topic and should be on a proper Show HN, not in a random thread.
- EGreg 2y ago
  I think it's on topic as it shows exactly what OP was talking about (Instead they get negative feedback) is not confined to workplaces, but is prevalent right here, too. "No one cares" is almost correct. Some people will care, but most will downvote you and criticize you. Oh by the way ... I tried doing a "Show HN" with it. It just got buried after getting 1 like. If you post something that people take a while to engage with, then they don't come back to HN to upvote it fast enough. So it gets eclipsed by stuff that's memey and fun. Result: no one cares.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    I feel like there's "nobody cares about what I do" and "nobody cares about how they affect other people" which are related but subtly different and imo. GP was more about the first and TFA more the second.
  - dijksterhuis 2y ago
    you did a Show HN and it sounds like it didn’t work out. that sucks to hear pal. it might be worth taking some time to reflect on what your part in that was and what you might do differently next time.
    - EGreg 2y ago
      My part was posting the link Sometimes the same link can go viral and other times it doesnt But the real issue is when people follow the link and get enagaged and dont come back to HN to upvote it fast enough before it scrolls off the page
  - theamk 2y ago
    Most people don't care about about most things, that's normal. But people should be caring about their jobs, and that's OP's (and mine) point. Thousands of rock bands released new songs today. I don't care, and that's OK. But if a rock magazine editor does not care about them, it would be bad. Latest Microsoft C# has new lock type. I absolutely don't care, and that's OK. But if someone working with high-performance C# does not care, they are doing a bad job. At my work, I've just released a new version of internal tool I've worked hard on. Majority of the company do not care at all, and that's fine. But those users who use daily? I expect them to read the announcement and take notice. My local park has a burned-out streetlight. Most people don't care. But I'd expect my town's public works department to care, or they are doing a bad job. I've submitted a very interesting link to HN. Most people did not care (as evidenced by a very small number of upvotes). But I'd expect ... nah, I don't actually expect anyone to care. There is not a single person on this earth whose job is to care about things I post on HN.
treve 2y ago
OP is talking about folks caring about making their environment a bit better, care about their craft or care about making an effort to make the world a better place. It's not really the same thing as your work not resonating with people.
- EGreg 2y ago
  When I said OP I meant theamk
jondwillis 2y ago
You’ve been making commits for four months?
- EGreg 2y ago
  Check the github for a repo named PlatformHistory. I pruned it 4 months ago and broke up the whole monorepo into subrepos
jdenning 2y ago
I just took a look at your project - you really need to simplify the README. I read the whole thing but it’s still not clear to me what you app actually does. I have no idea what a “Social Operating System” is supposed to be. Seems like it’s a web/mobile app framework, but it’s completely unclear why I would want to use it. You need an “elevator pitch”. There are hundreds of frameworks, if you want developers to use yours, maybe show some example code? No one is going to spend a bunch of effort trying to build with your framework if they can’t see an advantage. Not trying to be a hater, I care and want you to succeed Edit: just read some of the links in the readme - so it also has something to do with crypto and micropayments? Why would I want to use your “QBUX”? Would a developer only be able to get paid in your crypto? If so, why should they trust that you won’t rugpull? If you want people to care about your project, you need to think about what they care about (pro tip: nobody cares about making you rich via support contracts or shitcoin schemes. Sorry.)
- theamk 2y ago
  See also: Zombocom problem [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42542280
- EGreg 2y ago
  I am not sure what you read that said any of the things you asserted in the "Edit" section. None of that is true. The token doesn't even exist yet. There is no "rugpull" possible in any event. But I think this illustrates perfectly what I said originally. Context matters. The context on HN is "I see a word that triggers me (token / web3) somewhere and I immediately assume all these things I haven't seen or read, and forget about anything you actually did." That's why it is very important how you present things. The original Facebook was just a bunch of profiles in php. And yet people used it like mad and investors camped out Zuck's dorm room. It's not so much about what you build but how you present it.
  - theamk 2y ago
    You are focusing on technical details too much, I don't think any of the initial Facebook users cared if it was php or not, they cared about what they saw on the screen. While presentation definitely matters, the product itself has to be actually interesting (especially on HN). For example, current HN's top post is about Anthropic - and I don't even know what their stack looks like! On the other side, if the product's is Yet Another PHP Framework then your target audience is (1) PHP developers who are (2) unsatisfied with existing frameworks they know and (3) willing to spend hours to try the unknown thing. This is a pretty narrow category.
theamk 2y ago
I don't think it's similar at all, unless you have some sort of directors/investors telling you what to do (based on your comments, you don't) I (and OP) was talking about people who have power over the product (software engineers, managers, designers) not caring. In your case, people with power over product (you) clearly care very much, it's just the product is not interesting to others. (Which kinda makes sense? It's yet another PHP framework with AI and Crypto, and there is plenty of them...)

mulnz 2y ago

These people show up, offer trivially incorrect or untenable solutions to the trickiest problems. Rarely do they have the insight that fixes them. Often they do things that introduce more risk.

spencerflem 2y ago
That's one possibility - Here's a story of the burnout of one of the GNOME terminal maintainers https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vte/-/issues/259 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vte/-/issues/259 In a situation where no amount of effort seems to be enough its really easy to not see the point anymore
theamk 2y ago
Not all problems are tricky, there are plenty of easy-to-fix bugs that go unfixed. For example, there is an internal product that I use daily that has broken http links in error/status messages.