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Nice job! If only HTML had a serious templating system(no the template tag isn’t enough) that could be used without JavaScript, we won’t need any 3rd party syst

Nice job! If only HTML had a serious templating system(no the template tag isn’t enough) that could be used without JavaScript, we won’t need any 3rd party system for assembling static sites. For example a mechanism for including partials with the <link> tag and refer them inside a <template> or directly into current html

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/iframe https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/if... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/portal https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/po... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Side_Includes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Side_Includes Also, other than to satisfy a purist desire, why do you need this? You can pre-render HTML quickly using a variety of template systems, and it would outperform what you are suggesting every time (from a client's perspective). I mean, think about the potential CSS resolution complexity, FOUC, etc.
recursive 2y ago
In the 90s, we used Server Side Includes (SSI) for this. Probably still works.
- skyfaller 2y ago
  One modern approach would be Caddy Server's templates, using Golang templating: https://caddyserver.com/docs/modules/http.handlers.templates https://caddyserver.com/docs/modules/http.handlers.templates The "include" function should do the job: {{include "path/to/file.html"}}
  - ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
    httpd, nginx, a number of other servers support SSI https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_ssi_module.html https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_ssi_module.html Caddy chose not to, I guess? https://caddy.community/t/caddy-update-on-ssi-server-side-includes/400 https://caddy.community/t/caddy-update-on-ssi-server-side-in...
    - alwillis 2y ago
      You generally can’t use SSI on many popular platforms for static websites like Netlify, etc.
      - someothherguyy 2y ago
        However, you could generate the static HTML easily and then publish it on those platforms, which is what many people do today (probably not often using SSI).
nigel182 2y ago
We've got frames and iframes...
Gualdrapo 2y ago
(Chiming in because other people replying to you kept on the "iframe-like" part of the argument) Or serializing `<template>`s without needing JS. Like in lists (`<ol>`, `<ul>`, `<dl>`...). All in all `<template>`s are a nice thing to have, and I do use them a lot (like in my own portfolio), but it feels really lacking without JS.
campak 2y ago
You could use HTMX.org ;)
- morcus 2y ago
  Does HTMX work without Javascript?
  - recursive 2y ago
    They wrote the javascript so you don't have to.
mixmastamyk 2y ago
I mentioned the object tag elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42706227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42706227

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/iframe https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/if... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/portal https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/po... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Side_Includes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Side_Includes Also, other than to satisfy a purist desire, why do you need this? You can pre-render HTML quickly using a variety of template systems, and it would outperform what you are suggesting every time (from a client's perspective). I mean, think about the potential CSS resolution complexity, FOUC, etc.

recursive 2y ago

In the 90s, we used Server Side Includes (SSI) for this. Probably still works.

skyfaller 2y ago
One modern approach would be Caddy Server's templates, using Golang templating: https://caddyserver.com/docs/modules/http.handlers.templates https://caddyserver.com/docs/modules/http.handlers.templates The "include" function should do the job: {{include "path/to/file.html"}}
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
  httpd, nginx, a number of other servers support SSI https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_ssi_module.html https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_ssi_module.html Caddy chose not to, I guess? https://caddy.community/t/caddy-update-on-ssi-server-side-includes/400 https://caddy.community/t/caddy-update-on-ssi-server-side-in...
  - alwillis 2y ago
    You generally can’t use SSI on many popular platforms for static websites like Netlify, etc.
    - someothherguyy 2y ago
      However, you could generate the static HTML easily and then publish it on those platforms, which is what many people do today (probably not often using SSI).

nigel182 2y ago

We've got frames and iframes...

Gualdrapo 2y ago

(Chiming in because other people replying to you kept on the "iframe-like" part of the argument) Or serializing `<template>`s without needing JS. Like in lists (`<ol>`, `<ul>`, `<dl>`...). All in all `<template>`s are a nice thing to have, and I do use them a lot (like in my own portfolio), but it feels really lacking without JS.

campak 2y ago

You could use HTMX.org ;)

morcus 2y ago
Does HTMX work without Javascript?
- recursive 2y ago
  They wrote the javascript so you don't have to.

mixmastamyk 2y ago

I mentioned the object tag elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42706227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42706227