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Have you tried o1 pro? I find people that are making these assertions are not deeply using the models on a daily basis. With each new release, I can see the inc

Have you tried o1 pro? I find people that are making these assertions are not deeply using the models on a daily basis. With each new release, I can see the increase of capability, and can do things. I have written software in the last year that is at a level of complexity beyond my skill set. I have 15 years of SWE experience, most at FAANG. You just arent close enough to the metal to see what's coming. It's not about what we have now, its about scaling and a reliable march of model improvements. The code has been cracked, given sufficient data, anything can be learned. Neural networks are generalized learners

rglover 2y ago
Yes, I use LLMs every day. Primarily for coding (a mix of Claude and OAI). I was trying to implement a simple CSS optimization step to my JS framework's build system last night and both kept hallucinating to the point (literally inventing non-existent APIs and config patterns) where I gave up and just did it by hand w/ Google and browsing docs. The problem with your "close to the metal" assertion is that this has been parroted about every iteration of LLMs thus far. They've certainly gotten better (impressively so), but again, it doesn't matter. By their very nature (whether today or ten years from now), they're a big risk at the business level which is ultimately where the rubber has to hit the road.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Yeah I don't think we're going to come closer to a real AGI until we manage to make a model that can actually understand and think. An LLM sounds smart but it just picks the most likely response from the echoes of a billion human voices. I'm sure we'll get there but not with this tech. I'm pretty sure even be OpenAI said this with their 5 steps to AGI, LLMs were only step 1. And probably the part that will do the talking in the final AI but not the thinking. At the moment people are so wooed by the confidence of current LLMs that they forget that there's all sorts of types of AI models. I think the key is going to be to have them work together, each doing the part they're good at.
  - rlt 2y ago
    > An LLM sounds smart but it just picks the most likely response from the echoes of a billion human voices. This is where reasoning models come in. Train models on many logical statements then give them enough time to produce a chain of thoughts that’s indistinguishable from “understanding” and “thinking”. I’m not sure why this leap is so hard for some people to make.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      I personally don't think that will go very far. It's just a way of extracting a little bit more out of a technology that's the wrong one for the purpose.
harvodex 2y ago
We just are not on your level of genius to understand these things. So obviously completely full of shit.

rglover 2y ago

Yes, I use LLMs every day. Primarily for coding (a mix of Claude and OAI). I was trying to implement a simple CSS optimization step to my JS framework's build system last night and both kept hallucinating to the point (literally inventing non-existent APIs and config patterns) where I gave up and just did it by hand w/ Google and browsing docs. The problem with your "close to the metal" assertion is that this has been parroted about every iteration of LLMs thus far. They've certainly gotten better (impressively so), but again, it doesn't matter. By their very nature (whether today or ten years from now), they're a big risk at the business level which is ultimately where the rubber has to hit the road.

wkat4242 2y ago
Yeah I don't think we're going to come closer to a real AGI until we manage to make a model that can actually understand and think. An LLM sounds smart but it just picks the most likely response from the echoes of a billion human voices. I'm sure we'll get there but not with this tech. I'm pretty sure even be OpenAI said this with their 5 steps to AGI, LLMs were only step 1. And probably the part that will do the talking in the final AI but not the thinking. At the moment people are so wooed by the confidence of current LLMs that they forget that there's all sorts of types of AI models. I think the key is going to be to have them work together, each doing the part they're good at.
- rlt 2y ago
  > An LLM sounds smart but it just picks the most likely response from the echoes of a billion human voices. This is where reasoning models come in. Train models on many logical statements then give them enough time to produce a chain of thoughts that’s indistinguishable from “understanding” and “thinking”. I’m not sure why this leap is so hard for some people to make.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    I personally don't think that will go very far. It's just a way of extracting a little bit more out of a technology that's the wrong one for the purpose.

harvodex 2y ago

We just are not on your level of genius to understand these things. So obviously completely full of shit.