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I understand this is only a nitpick, but I'd point out that if you've spent any time in "deep china" you'll realize that there isn't connection to much of anyth

by kurthr 2y ago

I understand this is only a nitpick, but I'd point out that if you've spent any time in "deep china" you'll realize that there isn't connection to much of anything beyond the firewall. Even if you're in a western hotel, you will be hard pressed to connect to anything other than your in-country company VPN. Having a foreign phone helps a bit too with mobile data. The great firewall treats cloudflare, GCP, AWS and many other ip ranges as damage to be "routed around". Azure is a bit better, presumably because many computers still have to do windows update regularly.

unmole 2y ago
I don't know what deep china is supposed to mean but back in 2018, my colleagues in Shenzhen and Beijing didn't have any trouble connecting to an Indian WireGuard VPN server.
- kurthr 2y ago
  I don't really know either. Deep China to me means anything other than the coastal Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen megacites full of foreigners. Anything interior with less than 20M people, but still 5-15M like Hefei, Wuhan, Xi'an, Chengdu, Chongqing. Tiny cities like Ordos 2M? or even coastal cities like Fuzhou 8M? are even more challenging.
  - creer 2y ago
    "Darkest Peru" is where Paddington Bear was born. I meant China at its most remote free of foreign, or western visitors, your pick. So as to be the most free of web traffic western expectation and consequently consideration. Which is very interesting for China because we can marvel at the still large size and number of cities which see few foreign visitors. Leading to "tiny cities like Ordos 2M". Or what? dozens like that? Hundreds? And considering the size of the China "full of foreigners", that's an equivalently "authentic" China. Anyway, Peru is fine if you prefer.
IX-103 2y ago
You can usually find a couple of VPNs that work though. And even find a few holes to download the VPN software through. I was even able to watch YouTube during my last trip (one.....frame....at.....a......time....). Though it's difficult for non-citizens to get many services, since ID seems to be required for everything from getting a phone to riding a train. Most places also don't take cash, so you have to have a working phone and one of the payment apps.
- yreg 2y ago
  The exit nodes are outside of China though, no? So the web content doesn't look like from "deep China".

by kurthr 2y ago

unmole 2y ago

I don't know what deep china is supposed to mean but back in 2018, my colleagues in Shenzhen and Beijing didn't have any trouble connecting to an Indian WireGuard VPN server.

kurthr 2y ago
I don't really know either. Deep China to me means anything other than the coastal Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen megacites full of foreigners. Anything interior with less than 20M people, but still 5-15M like Hefei, Wuhan, Xi'an, Chengdu, Chongqing. Tiny cities like Ordos 2M? or even coastal cities like Fuzhou 8M? are even more challenging.
- creer 2y ago
  "Darkest Peru" is where Paddington Bear was born. I meant China at its most remote free of foreign, or western visitors, your pick. So as to be the most free of web traffic western expectation and consequently consideration. Which is very interesting for China because we can marvel at the still large size and number of cities which see few foreign visitors. Leading to "tiny cities like Ordos 2M". Or what? dozens like that? Hundreds? And considering the size of the China "full of foreigners", that's an equivalently "authentic" China. Anyway, Peru is fine if you prefer.

IX-103 2y ago

You can usually find a couple of VPNs that work though. And even find a few holes to download the VPN software through. I was even able to watch YouTube during my last trip (one.....frame....at.....a......time....). Though it's difficult for non-citizens to get many services, since ID seems to be required for everything from getting a phone to riding a train. Most places also don't take cash, so you have to have a working phone and one of the payment apps.

yreg 2y ago
The exit nodes are outside of China though, no? So the web content doesn't look like from "deep China".