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I'm sure it's brilliant, but I have no idea what it's capable of. What will it do? Send me a push notification? Have an answer waiting for me when I come back t

by cbeach 2y ago

I'm sure it's brilliant, but I have no idea what it's capable of. What will it do? Send me a push notification? Have an answer waiting for me when I come back to it in a while? I switched over to the "GPT4o with scheduled tasks" model and there were no UI hints as to how I might use the feature. So I asked it "what you can you follow up later on and how?" It replied "Could you clarify what specifically you’d like me to follow up on later?" This is a truly awful way to launch a new product.

benaduggan 2y ago
After asking it to schedule something, it prompted me to allow or block notifications, so sounds like this is just chatGPT scheduling push notifications? We'll see!
- jerpint 2y ago
  So basically canibalizing Siri ?
  - 1propionyl 2y ago
    Siri has access to a wealth of private existing and future on-device APIs to fuel context sensitive responses to queries on vendor locked devices used all day long. (Which Apple has apparently decided to just not use yet.) OpenAI doesn't, they just have a ton of funding and (up to recently) a good mass media story, and the best natural language responses. The moat around Siri is much deeper, and I don't really see any evidence OpenAI has any special sauce that can't be reproduced by others. My prediction is that OpenAI's reliance on AI doomerism to generate a regulatory moat falters as they become unable to produce step changes in new models, while Apple's efforts despite being halting and incomplete become ubiquitous thanks to market share and access to on device context. I wouldn't (and don't) put my money in OpenAI anymore. I don't see a future for them beyond being the first mover in an "LLM as a service" space in which they have no moat. On top of that they've managed to absorb the worst of criticism as a sort of LLM lightning rod. Worst of all, it may turn out that off-device isn't even really necessary for most consumer applications in which case they'll start to have to make most of their money on corporate contracts. Maybe something will change, but right now OpenAI is looking like a bubble company with no guarantee to its dominant position. Because it is what it is: simply the largest pooling of money to try to corner this market. What else do they have?
    - secfirstmd 2y ago
      I think there is an argument that currently Google Gemini is best place to tie everything together. Assuming Google executes on it well. Most people use Gmail, Docs, Google Maps, Google Calendar above Apples alternatives. Gemini could really tie them up well.
      - 1propionyl 2y ago
        The counter argument is that Google doesn't maintain any of those services beyond the bare minimum for customer facing interactions, and exchanges between their services are even more poorly supported if they even exist at all. Remember Google Sheets (already the Tonka Toys of spreadsheets) adding named tables to Sheets? You can't use them in any of the AppsScript APIs. You have to fall back to manual searching for strings and index arithmetic. Google Drive still barely supports anything like moving an entire folder to another folder. They have failed at least a half dozen times now to deliver a functional chat/VOIP app after they already had one in Google Talk. They regularly sunset products that actually have devoted and zealous user bases for indiscernible reasons. Android is just chugging along doing nothing interesting and still carrying the same baggage it did before. It's a painful platform to develop for and the Jetpack Compose/Kotlin shift hasn't ameliorated much of that at all. Their search offering is now worse than Bing, worse than Kagi, and worse than some of the LLM based tools that use their index. It's increasingly common that you can't even find a single link that you know an entire verbatim sentence from via Google search for inexplicable reasons. Exact keyword or phrase searches no longer work. You can't require a keyword in results. I don't trust Google to deliver a single functional software product at this point, let alone a compelling integration of many different ones developed in different siloes. About the only thing going for them is how many people still have Gmail accounts from that initial invite only and generous limits campaign... 20 years ago? Google is not a healthy company. I don't invest in them anymore, and barring some major change I probably won't again. It's a dying blue chip which is a terrible position to have your money in. P.S. oh, and Gemini is awful by comparison in both price and quality to competitors. It isn't saving them. It's just a "me too". P.P.S. I'm personally just waiting for their next "game changing" announcement bound to fail to get in at the top floor on shorting what stock I have. It's one of those cases where finance has rose coloured glasses based on brand name that anyone who's used Google products for years would be thoroughly disabused of.
cbeach 2y ago
Ah, I've just stumbled on some hints after clicking around.. click on your avatar image (top right) and then click "Tasks" Then there are some UI hints. "Remind me of your mom's birthday on [X] date" Wow, really maximising that $10bn GPU investment!
- danpalmer 2y ago
  Glad to see that the thriving 2010 market of TODO list apps will see a resurgence in the AI era.
  - delichon 2y ago
    A todo app that you can write and modify by editing a natural language prompt, and that can parse inputs from the whole web with flexibility and nuance, is not a small thing.
    - danpalmer 2y ago
      That also seems to not get timezones right, has a confusing search function...? More seriously, todo apps are about productivity, not just about becoming a huge bucket of tasks. I've always found that the productivity comes from getting context out of my head and scheduled for the right time. This release appears to be more about that big bag of tasks and less about productivity. I'm all for AI in products, I think it can be powerful, but I've not had a use-case for it in my todo app.
    - frontalier 2y ago
      > a todo app that you can write and modify by editing a natural language prompt no. "a todo app that you can interact with by writing natural language input?" okay. > nuance really?!
      - delichon 2y ago
        I've got about six apps written by Claude from prompts, all quite simple but useful. If you don't believe it I get it, because I didn't either until I tried it. As for nuance, I've seen an astounding amount of divergent context incorporated into LLM responses. Not always, but far more than I've ever been able to encode into a parsing script, which is exactly nothing not explicitly programmed.
siva7 2y ago
Yep, this is a truly bad feature launch. I have no clue what this model does. Did they somehow lose their competent product people?
sandspar 2y ago
Maybe it's effective at hitting a goal which you do not see.
prettyblocks 2y ago
It could get really interesting if they allow webhooks and structured output

by cbeach 2y ago

benaduggan 2y ago

After asking it to schedule something, it prompted me to allow or block notifications, so sounds like this is just chatGPT scheduling push notifications? We'll see!

jerpint 2y ago
So basically canibalizing Siri ?
- 1propionyl 2y ago
  Siri has access to a wealth of private existing and future on-device APIs to fuel context sensitive responses to queries on vendor locked devices used all day long. (Which Apple has apparently decided to just not use yet.) OpenAI doesn't, they just have a ton of funding and (up to recently) a good mass media story, and the best natural language responses. The moat around Siri is much deeper, and I don't really see any evidence OpenAI has any special sauce that can't be reproduced by others. My prediction is that OpenAI's reliance on AI doomerism to generate a regulatory moat falters as they become unable to produce step changes in new models, while Apple's efforts despite being halting and incomplete become ubiquitous thanks to market share and access to on device context. I wouldn't (and don't) put my money in OpenAI anymore. I don't see a future for them beyond being the first mover in an "LLM as a service" space in which they have no moat. On top of that they've managed to absorb the worst of criticism as a sort of LLM lightning rod. Worst of all, it may turn out that off-device isn't even really necessary for most consumer applications in which case they'll start to have to make most of their money on corporate contracts. Maybe something will change, but right now OpenAI is looking like a bubble company with no guarantee to its dominant position. Because it is what it is: simply the largest pooling of money to try to corner this market. What else do they have?
  - secfirstmd 2y ago
    I think there is an argument that currently Google Gemini is best place to tie everything together. Assuming Google executes on it well. Most people use Gmail, Docs, Google Maps, Google Calendar above Apples alternatives. Gemini could really tie them up well.
    - 1propionyl 2y ago
      The counter argument is that Google doesn't maintain any of those services beyond the bare minimum for customer facing interactions, and exchanges between their services are even more poorly supported if they even exist at all. Remember Google Sheets (already the Tonka Toys of spreadsheets) adding named tables to Sheets? You can't use them in any of the AppsScript APIs. You have to fall back to manual searching for strings and index arithmetic. Google Drive still barely supports anything like moving an entire folder to another folder. They have failed at least a half dozen times now to deliver a functional chat/VOIP app after they already had one in Google Talk. They regularly sunset products that actually have devoted and zealous user bases for indiscernible reasons. Android is just chugging along doing nothing interesting and still carrying the same baggage it did before. It's a painful platform to develop for and the Jetpack Compose/Kotlin shift hasn't ameliorated much of that at all. Their search offering is now worse than Bing, worse than Kagi, and worse than some of the LLM based tools that use their index. It's increasingly common that you can't even find a single link that you know an entire verbatim sentence from via Google search for inexplicable reasons. Exact keyword or phrase searches no longer work. You can't require a keyword in results. I don't trust Google to deliver a single functional software product at this point, let alone a compelling integration of many different ones developed in different siloes. About the only thing going for them is how many people still have Gmail accounts from that initial invite only and generous limits campaign... 20 years ago? Google is not a healthy company. I don't invest in them anymore, and barring some major change I probably won't again. It's a dying blue chip which is a terrible position to have your money in. P.S. oh, and Gemini is awful by comparison in both price and quality to competitors. It isn't saving them. It's just a "me too". P.P.S. I'm personally just waiting for their next "game changing" announcement bound to fail to get in at the top floor on shorting what stock I have. It's one of those cases where finance has rose coloured glasses based on brand name that anyone who's used Google products for years would be thoroughly disabused of.

cbeach 2y ago

Ah, I've just stumbled on some hints after clicking around.. click on your avatar image (top right) and then click "Tasks" Then there are some UI hints. "Remind me of your mom's birthday on [X] date" Wow, really maximising that $10bn GPU investment!

danpalmer 2y ago
Glad to see that the thriving 2010 market of TODO list apps will see a resurgence in the AI era.
- delichon 2y ago
  A todo app that you can write and modify by editing a natural language prompt, and that can parse inputs from the whole web with flexibility and nuance, is not a small thing.
  - danpalmer 2y ago
    That also seems to not get timezones right, has a confusing search function...? More seriously, todo apps are about productivity, not just about becoming a huge bucket of tasks. I've always found that the productivity comes from getting context out of my head and scheduled for the right time. This release appears to be more about that big bag of tasks and less about productivity. I'm all for AI in products, I think it can be powerful, but I've not had a use-case for it in my todo app.
  - frontalier 2y ago
    > a todo app that you can write and modify by editing a natural language prompt no. "a todo app that you can interact with by writing natural language input?" okay. > nuance really?!
    - delichon 2y ago
      I've got about six apps written by Claude from prompts, all quite simple but useful. If you don't believe it I get it, because I didn't either until I tried it. As for nuance, I've seen an astounding amount of divergent context incorporated into LLM responses. Not always, but far more than I've ever been able to encode into a parsing script, which is exactly nothing not explicitly programmed.

siva7 2y ago

Yep, this is a truly bad feature launch. I have no clue what this model does. Did they somehow lose their competent product people?

sandspar 2y ago

Maybe it's effective at hitting a goal which you do not see.

prettyblocks 2y ago

It could get really interesting if they allow webhooks and structured output