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It's fun to read letters written by children in the 18th century, as it gives you a little glimpse into what it was like to learn to write at this level of comp

It's fun to read letters written by children in the 18th century, as it gives you a little glimpse into what it was like to learn to write at this level of complexity, and what aspects of written language children were being taught to master. Here for example is a letter from John Quincy Adams to his father, written when he was ten: >DEAR SIR,—I love to receive letters very well; much better than I love to write them. I make but a poor figure at composition, my head is too fickle, my thoughts are running after birds eggs play and trifles, till I get vexed with myself. Mamma has a troublesome task to keep me steady, and I own I am ashamed of myself. [...] If I can but keep my resolution, I will write again at the end of the week and give a better account of myself. I wish, Sir, you would give me some instructions, with regard to my time, and advise me how to proportion my Studies and my Play, in writing, and I will keep them by me, and endeavor to follow them. I am, dear Sir, with a present determination of growing better, yours. >P. S.—Sir, if you will be so good as to favor me with a Blank Book, I will transcribe the most remarkable occurances I meet with in my reading, which will serve to fix them upon my mind.

formerphotoj 2y ago
I shall be pleased to thank you for favoring us with this most poignant example; my heart doth flutter a few nanoseconds at the innocence of youth both present and lost to short-form video. I exhale, with a touch of melancholy, but feel gratitude nonetheless.
- idlewords 2y ago
  Another fun format to read is military orders in the Revolutionary War/Napoleonic Wars era, how generals wrote (with a quill!) when actual bullets were whizzing around them. Even Civil War era orders still sound extraordinarily formal, and such orders from all eras are written in beautiful handwriting.
  - billfruit 2y ago
    Where can one read those
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    I've read that Washington sent back, unopened, british letters which had been sent to him but without being addressed with all the proper military formalities. Was that his way of ensuring he didn't get labelled as an unlawful combatant? > such orders from all eras are written in beautiful handwriting the 1876 orders to bring ammunition sent at Greasy Grass ("Custer's Last Stand") are an obvious counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn#/media/File:William_W._Cooke's_%22Come_quick%22_message_to_Frederick_Benteen,_Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn,_June_25,_1876.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn#/... are you sure you haven't been looking at transcriptions? (as in the upper right of the example above)
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  That the XVIII, with its love of symmetry: oft observed in contrast as well as in comparison, and with its love of ornament: ascending from initial observation; continuing through main example; and ending upon a final period, is well exemplified by Gibbon, who in this inimitable style filled not just one, nor yet three, but a full six volumes of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776), is a fact to which all must acquiesce, yet, even so, the "short-form" was also present during this era, perhaps most memorably in the tricolon, as brief as it was lacking in invention, with which Prince William Henry, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh, greeted Gibbon's second volume: "Always scribble, scribble, scribble! Eh, Mr. Gibbon?"
  - billfruit 2y ago
    Also Macaulay in his 5 volumes of the History of England. Not to mention Carlyle, who elevates it to an even more lofty style that one wonders if he has not overcooked it.
kstrauser 2y ago
Truuuue, but that was John High-I-Quincy Adams, that one study estimated had an IQ around 170: https://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jcampbel/documents/SimontonPresIQ2006.pdf https://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jcampbel/documents/SimontonPre... Even if he didn't, there's a lot of evidence that Johnny Boy was exceptionally bright, to say the least. You can't really expect that level of writing skill from a typical 10 year old.
- seabass-labrax 2y ago
  > You can't really expect that level of writing skill from a typical 10 year old. Can't you? I've taken the quote from the parent comment and replaced every punctuation mark and coordinating conjunction that separates independent clauses with an interpunct, and bracketed the relative clauses. > I love to receive letters very well • much better than [I love to write them] • I make but a poor figure at composition • my head is too fickle • my thoughts are running after birds eggs play and trifles [till I get vexed with myself] • Mamma has a troublesome task [to keep me steady] • I own [I am ashamed of myself] • [If I can but keep my resolution] I will write again at the end of the week • give a better account of myself • I wish you would [give me some instructions with regard to my time] • advise me how [to proportion my Studies and my Play] in writing • I will keep them by me • endeavor to follow them • I am with a present determination of growing better • [if you will be so good as [to favor me with a Blank Book]] I will transcribe the most remarkable occurances [I meet with in my reading] [which will serve to [fix them upon my mind]] As you can see, there is no nesting deeper than one level except at the very end. There's a range of vocabulary, but most of the words were common in English at the time of writing and have simply fallen out of fashion. 'Fickle' is usually now 'impatient'; neither expresses a more complex idea than the other. Assuming the letter is representative of genuine sentiment, I find his desire for personal development more impressive than his language; indeed his commitment to reply to correspondence promptly is the most positive reflection of his character.
- karaterobot 2y ago
  I'm not sure about the idea of retrospectively assigning IQ scores to dead people who never took an IQ test. For what it's worth, I believe a reasonably intelligent child could have written that. Here's another letter, this one written by a 12-year old girl in 1842, which is similar to the other except for being, if anything, a bit more composed. https://100yearsofstories.wordpress.com/2016/01/06/my-dearest-papa-a-letter-from-1842/ https://100yearsofstories.wordpress.com/2016/01/06/my-deares... > My dear Papa, > It is with much pleasure I write to you these few lines to inform you that our vacation will commence on the 18th of the month when I hope you will find me improved in all my studies in which I have done my best. Miss Sykes and Miss Martha present their compliments and hope though late you will accept their thanks for the very nice hare you were so kind as to send. > With love to all at home, you remain my dear papa.

formerphotoj 2y ago

I shall be pleased to thank you for favoring us with this most poignant example; my heart doth flutter a few nanoseconds at the innocence of youth both present and lost to short-form video. I exhale, with a touch of melancholy, but feel gratitude nonetheless.

idlewords 2y ago
Another fun format to read is military orders in the Revolutionary War/Napoleonic Wars era, how generals wrote (with a quill!) when actual bullets were whizzing around them. Even Civil War era orders still sound extraordinarily formal, and such orders from all eras are written in beautiful handwriting.
- billfruit 2y ago
  Where can one read those
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  I've read that Washington sent back, unopened, british letters which had been sent to him but without being addressed with all the proper military formalities. Was that his way of ensuring he didn't get labelled as an unlawful combatant? > such orders from all eras are written in beautiful handwriting the 1876 orders to bring ammunition sent at Greasy Grass ("Custer's Last Stand") are an obvious counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn#/media/File:William_W._Cooke's_%22Come_quick%22_message_to_Frederick_Benteen,_Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn,_June_25,_1876.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn#/... are you sure you haven't been looking at transcriptions? (as in the upper right of the example above)
082349872349872 2y ago
That the XVIII, with its love of symmetry: oft observed in contrast as well as in comparison, and with its love of ornament: ascending from initial observation; continuing through main example; and ending upon a final period, is well exemplified by Gibbon, who in this inimitable style filled not just one, nor yet three, but a full six volumes of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776), is a fact to which all must acquiesce, yet, even so, the "short-form" was also present during this era, perhaps most memorably in the tricolon, as brief as it was lacking in invention, with which Prince William Henry, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh, greeted Gibbon's second volume: "Always scribble, scribble, scribble! Eh, Mr. Gibbon?"
- billfruit 2y ago
  Also Macaulay in his 5 volumes of the History of England. Not to mention Carlyle, who elevates it to an even more lofty style that one wonders if he has not overcooked it.

kstrauser 2y ago

Truuuue, but that was John High-I-Quincy Adams, that one study estimated had an IQ around 170: https://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jcampbel/documents/SimontonPresIQ2006.pdf https://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jcampbel/documents/SimontonPre... Even if he didn't, there's a lot of evidence that Johnny Boy was exceptionally bright, to say the least. You can't really expect that level of writing skill from a typical 10 year old.

seabass-labrax 2y ago
> You can't really expect that level of writing skill from a typical 10 year old. Can't you? I've taken the quote from the parent comment and replaced every punctuation mark and coordinating conjunction that separates independent clauses with an interpunct, and bracketed the relative clauses. > I love to receive letters very well • much better than [I love to write them] • I make but a poor figure at composition • my head is too fickle • my thoughts are running after birds eggs play and trifles [till I get vexed with myself] • Mamma has a troublesome task [to keep me steady] • I own [I am ashamed of myself] • [If I can but keep my resolution] I will write again at the end of the week • give a better account of myself • I wish you would [give me some instructions with regard to my time] • advise me how [to proportion my Studies and my Play] in writing • I will keep them by me • endeavor to follow them • I am with a present determination of growing better • [if you will be so good as [to favor me with a Blank Book]] I will transcribe the most remarkable occurances [I meet with in my reading] [which will serve to [fix them upon my mind]] As you can see, there is no nesting deeper than one level except at the very end. There's a range of vocabulary, but most of the words were common in English at the time of writing and have simply fallen out of fashion. 'Fickle' is usually now 'impatient'; neither expresses a more complex idea than the other. Assuming the letter is representative of genuine sentiment, I find his desire for personal development more impressive than his language; indeed his commitment to reply to correspondence promptly is the most positive reflection of his character.
karaterobot 2y ago
I'm not sure about the idea of retrospectively assigning IQ scores to dead people who never took an IQ test. For what it's worth, I believe a reasonably intelligent child could have written that. Here's another letter, this one written by a 12-year old girl in 1842, which is similar to the other except for being, if anything, a bit more composed. https://100yearsofstories.wordpress.com/2016/01/06/my-dearest-papa-a-letter-from-1842/ https://100yearsofstories.wordpress.com/2016/01/06/my-deares... > My dear Papa, > It is with much pleasure I write to you these few lines to inform you that our vacation will commence on the 18th of the month when I hope you will find me improved in all my studies in which I have done my best. Miss Sykes and Miss Martha present their compliments and hope though late you will accept their thanks for the very nice hare you were so kind as to send. > With love to all at home, you remain my dear papa.