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Do you think if Linux and Windows magically swapped their market position, there would continue to be far more malware targeting Windows than Linux, or do you t

Do you think if Linux and Windows magically swapped their market position, there would continue to be far more malware targeting Windows than Linux, or do you think it might be possible that, much like every other kind of software, malware developers target the most common and popular platforms?

dismalaf 2y ago
Linux is definitely a target, it runs the majority of, well, everything. The DoD uses Linux, defence contractors use Linux, infrastructure, most of the internet, etc... The idea that it isn't targeted because its "obscure" is silly, it's just more secure. Also, remember when Microsoft themselves were hacked multiple times by Russia? Or when a Russian spy was hired by Microsoft? Windows has historically been insecure, it could just be that Microsoft is bad at security...
- orf 2y ago
  The daily number of people who interact directly with Windows machines absolutely dwarfs the daily number of people who interact directly with Linux machines. Most malware campaigns target people.
  - dismalaf 2y ago
    Most malware campaigns are designed to extract money. Large corporations have multiple orders of magnitude more money than the average Windows user. If large corporations could be targeted as easily as Windows users, they'd be targeted 10/10 times. The only reason there is to target individual Windows users is because it's easy.
    - orf 2y ago
      Hate to break it to ya, but those large corporations are filled with the individual Windows users that campaigns target.
      - dismalaf 2y ago
        That's true. I was thinking more about the large infrastructure focused companies, but you're right, ye olde average fortune 500 company likely has nothing but Windows PCs.
- alp1n3_eth 2y ago
  With the different flavors of Linux, the varying configs, and uses, etc. it would be a less-likely target because it's overall much easier just to infect one of the numerous Windows computers or servers in a corp, then pivot to the other machines within the network from there. Whether targeting public facing Windows servers, or the employees' own desktops, it's easy to see why Linux would be more of an afterthought. Windows devices massively out number the number of daily-use Windows devices, which also increases the opportunity for attack.
bediger4000 2y ago
Actually, I do. There's a lot of very bad design weirdness in Windows. Beginning with a multiple root filesystem. I know you don't have to use drive letters, but it's common. Magic device files, LP, CON AUX regularly trip people up. Having file names make them executable causes all kinds of problems, especially when the file browser hides that detail. Never documenting which file types make something executable has caused problems, too. The tradition of single user systems mixes data, config and executables. I'm told you can avoid this, but it's often not the default. Even things like Win32 call design. There's often buffers passed that have caused troubles when they're on page boundaries and segfaults happen. This got fixed, I think, but it's evidence of pitiful foundations. I do think Windows is something of a "dragon king" of malware due to its design.

dismalaf 2y ago

Linux is definitely a target, it runs the majority of, well, everything. The DoD uses Linux, defence contractors use Linux, infrastructure, most of the internet, etc... The idea that it isn't targeted because its "obscure" is silly, it's just more secure. Also, remember when Microsoft themselves were hacked multiple times by Russia? Or when a Russian spy was hired by Microsoft? Windows has historically been insecure, it could just be that Microsoft is bad at security...

orf 2y ago
The daily number of people who interact directly with Windows machines absolutely dwarfs the daily number of people who interact directly with Linux machines. Most malware campaigns target people.
- dismalaf 2y ago
  Most malware campaigns are designed to extract money. Large corporations have multiple orders of magnitude more money than the average Windows user. If large corporations could be targeted as easily as Windows users, they'd be targeted 10/10 times. The only reason there is to target individual Windows users is because it's easy.
  - orf 2y ago
    Hate to break it to ya, but those large corporations are filled with the individual Windows users that campaigns target.
    - dismalaf 2y ago
      That's true. I was thinking more about the large infrastructure focused companies, but you're right, ye olde average fortune 500 company likely has nothing but Windows PCs.
alp1n3_eth 2y ago
With the different flavors of Linux, the varying configs, and uses, etc. it would be a less-likely target because it's overall much easier just to infect one of the numerous Windows computers or servers in a corp, then pivot to the other machines within the network from there. Whether targeting public facing Windows servers, or the employees' own desktops, it's easy to see why Linux would be more of an afterthought. Windows devices massively out number the number of daily-use Windows devices, which also increases the opportunity for attack.

bediger4000 2y ago

Actually, I do. There's a lot of very bad design weirdness in Windows. Beginning with a multiple root filesystem. I know you don't have to use drive letters, but it's common. Magic device files, LP, CON AUX regularly trip people up. Having file names make them executable causes all kinds of problems, especially when the file browser hides that detail. Never documenting which file types make something executable has caused problems, too. The tradition of single user systems mixes data, config and executables. I'm told you can avoid this, but it's often not the default. Even things like Win32 call design. There's often buffers passed that have caused troubles when they're on page boundaries and segfaults happen. This got fixed, I think, but it's evidence of pitiful foundations. I do think Windows is something of a "dragon king" of malware due to its design.