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Rounding up somebody and detaining them is not violence.
by baggy_trough 2y ago
Rounding up somebody and detaining them is not violence.
- spencerflem 2y ago???????
- baggy_trough 2y agoDo you have a question?
- babypuncher 2y agoThis is categorically untrue.
- baggy_trough 2y agoNo, it isn't.
- babypuncher 2y agoForcibly relocating someone is an act of violence.
- baggy_trough 2y agoNot if it doesn't involve violence.
- babypuncher 2y agoNow tell me, how do you forcibly relocate somebody who does not want to be relocated, without violence?
- skyyler 2y agoHacker News take of the day: Rounding up somebody and detaining them is not violence. Would you like to expand on how you came to this conclusion? It's at odds with most interpretations of labour camps and internment camps and "re-education centres"
- baggy_trough 2y agoIt might be an unjust detention, but it's not violence. There's no physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill. The force, if any, is intended to restrain.
- skyyler 2y ago>There's no physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill. Weird, how do the people get to the camps then?
- baggy_trough 2y agoIn a car?
- skyyler 2y agoWhat happens if they don't want to get into the car?
- baggy_trough 2y agoThe agents of the state will use physical force to put them in there.
- skyyler 2y agoIs that violence to you?
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- Peacefulz 2y agoJust like most other systematic issues, the "Violence" is rarely surface level. The violence in these specific cases may look more like a father and husband being gone without meaningful trace, leaving a potential family to fend for themselves without a legal or decent way to do it. It's a teenager never making it back home, leaving a family in turmoil. The act of processing someone for illegal immigration may not be violent[citation needed], but the wake of the act is undeniably violence. I'm curious now, why do degrees of separation of intent minimize fault of the perpetrator? Denying Ruby Ridges the chance to attend an integrated school wouldn't have been violence on one hand, but the systemic chain of events inside the lack of equal opportunity could be perceived as such.
- SauciestGNU 2y agoI think you mean Ruby Bridges. Ruby Ridge was something different and fortunately there was only the one notable event there.
- Peacefulz 2y agoYup, what an oversight! Sorry about that.
- baggy_trough 2y agoI think you've given some good examples of distressing or deeply undesirable situations that are not because of violence.
- xboxnolifes 2y agoAnd what happens if you refuse?
- jcarrano 2y agoIt is. We can argue under which conditions it is legitimate, which is long debate. At some point, it seems that the TOS does make a distinction between legitimate and illegitimate violence, however imperfect it may be. For example, nobody in their right mind would consider a policeman being distinguished for stopping a shooter as "glorifying violence" even if the officer had to use violence to him down.