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These are not fake. "On paper potentially qualified" has meant nothing for a long time. And if truly acceptable candidates do show up, that scuttles the immigra

by creer 2y ago

These are not fake. "On paper potentially qualified" has meant nothing for a long time. And if truly acceptable candidates do show up, that scuttles the immigration application. The ads are written so that etc, but they still correspond to an actual job that is actually, actively hiring and actually, actively paying. You do learn to recognize them, and then you only need apply if you carefully meet all the requirements because THESE job postings WERE carefully written. But they are real by definition: there is a job and it is carefully spec-ed, as opposed to the rest of the garbage. And much effort went into the process, as opposed to the rest of the garbage. And someone was writing on HN recently about their immigration process being scuttled by this.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
>"On paper potentially qualified" has meant nothing for a long time. yeah, almost like we have a much too long process after the paper to determine if that paper lives up to its name. Even then, what does that say about our society if our automatic assumption is that a job application and the resume submitted are all fake? >And if truly acceptable candidates do show up, that scuttles the immigration application. yes, that's the point. We can fine tune some things (someone already in the country and working hard shouldn't need to worry about losing their visa becuse a company found an American), but the overall point of this is to prioritize hiring domestic labor. >You do learn to recognize them I'd love to have some tips, I am as dense as a log.
- creer 2y ago
  > > And if truly acceptable candidates do show up, that scuttles the immigration application. > yes, that's the point. The discussion is about whether job postings are real or fake. I use "scuttles" as evidence that that one is very real. > >You do learn to recognize them > I'd love to have some tips, I am as dense as a log. For example, such a job posting is likely oddly specific as to experience and what it's applied to. A nonsense job posting might enumerate a bunch of irrelevant software applications or languages. We all (?) know to ignore that list. A visa requirement posting is not likely to do that. It's supposed to actually limit itself to required stuff. The software mentioned might be very specific and exactly the one that is actually used on the job. Not some HR or managerial delirium. For another example, some quirks of the current person's experience are likely to be mentioned when they are actually in use on the job (or at least plausibly in use). They may again seem oddly specific and quirky. These get mentioned because why not: they strongly restrict the number of people that might fit that position, and they are not even a lie. It used to be also that it needed to be published in a publication "of record", like, not just on a web site. Some papers were full of these strange job postings. I have no idea what is the current requirement as to publication medium.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    > I use "scuttles" as evidence that that one is very real. Fair enough. I interpretd it as "scares away" or "puts in danger". I personally don't see a posting as "real" if your performance in such a process is already set as failing. But a fake app shouldn't be used as a way to prevent Visa holders from staying in the country. They're already here. >The software mentioned might be very specific and exactly the one that is actually used on the job. Not some HR or managerial delirium. Outside of being too specific, I do find some irony that a red flag to look out for is "it looks like a proper app with reasonae requirements and not like it was made by someone who never worked in programming languages" But thanks. I'll keep a lookout for it. It doesn't happen that often, but once in a blue moon I'll come across some requirement of a framework of a framework. Or recruiter overinsisance of this very specific pipeline (yes, I have made use of WINE professionally. And I've studied Vulkan as a hobby. I have not done professional work with Vulkan through WINE.

by creer 2y ago

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>"On paper potentially qualified" has meant nothing for a long time. yeah, almost like we have a much too long process after the paper to determine if that paper lives up to its name. Even then, what does that say about our society if our automatic assumption is that a job application and the resume submitted are all fake? >And if truly acceptable candidates do show up, that scuttles the immigration application. yes, that's the point. We can fine tune some things (someone already in the country and working hard shouldn't need to worry about losing their visa becuse a company found an American), but the overall point of this is to prioritize hiring domestic labor. >You do learn to recognize them I'd love to have some tips, I am as dense as a log.

creer 2y ago
> > And if truly acceptable candidates do show up, that scuttles the immigration application. > yes, that's the point. The discussion is about whether job postings are real or fake. I use "scuttles" as evidence that that one is very real. > >You do learn to recognize them > I'd love to have some tips, I am as dense as a log. For example, such a job posting is likely oddly specific as to experience and what it's applied to. A nonsense job posting might enumerate a bunch of irrelevant software applications or languages. We all (?) know to ignore that list. A visa requirement posting is not likely to do that. It's supposed to actually limit itself to required stuff. The software mentioned might be very specific and exactly the one that is actually used on the job. Not some HR or managerial delirium. For another example, some quirks of the current person's experience are likely to be mentioned when they are actually in use on the job (or at least plausibly in use). They may again seem oddly specific and quirky. These get mentioned because why not: they strongly restrict the number of people that might fit that position, and they are not even a lie. It used to be also that it needed to be published in a publication "of record", like, not just on a web site. Some papers were full of these strange job postings. I have no idea what is the current requirement as to publication medium.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  > I use "scuttles" as evidence that that one is very real. Fair enough. I interpretd it as "scares away" or "puts in danger". I personally don't see a posting as "real" if your performance in such a process is already set as failing. But a fake app shouldn't be used as a way to prevent Visa holders from staying in the country. They're already here. >The software mentioned might be very specific and exactly the one that is actually used on the job. Not some HR or managerial delirium. Outside of being too specific, I do find some irony that a red flag to look out for is "it looks like a proper app with reasonae requirements and not like it was made by someone who never worked in programming languages" But thanks. I'll keep a lookout for it. It doesn't happen that often, but once in a blue moon I'll come across some requirement of a framework of a framework. Or recruiter overinsisance of this very specific pipeline (yes, I have made use of WINE professionally. And I've studied Vulkan as a hobby. I have not done professional work with Vulkan through WINE.