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I can understand the decision of a platform to remove the business account, or the posts of that account, which are promoting the sale of an item that’s basical

I can understand the decision of a platform to remove the business account, or the posts of that account, which are promoting the sale of an item that’s basically inciting terrorism. But the decision to also ban his personal account seems like an overreaction.

echelon 2y ago
I absolutely detest this person's message and think they're a deeply flawed human being, but the power asymmetry and mechanisms to de-person are orders of magnitude more terrifying. This is 1984 type stuff. The banking pieces probably fall afoul of AML/CTF rules, which is fine. But the social media bans, total wipe of accounts, no process in place for restitution, and no communication are literally mechanisms of de-personing.
- semiquaver 2y ago
  > literally mechanisms of de-personing A person is not the same thing as their social media account. “Literally de-personing” is usually called murder and is already illegal.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    They are referring to 1984 where any hints on your existence got erased from public knowledge. And I think that there are a few cases where that happened in real life as well, IIRC under Stalin.
- snakeyjake 2y ago
  I find the act of banning someone from tiktok being equated with "de-personing" them extremely interesting. I think we have very different perspectives on what it means to be human, how much all of this (waves around hand in the general direction of social media) is worth, and what is important. I value tiktok, and all other social media platforms, at nothing. $0.00, maximum. If you built your business on them, you fucked up. If you use them for news, you fucked up. And if you feel that they are needed or important, you DEFINITELY fucked up.
  - lesuorac 2y ago
    The problem is that many governments are starting use social media as official platforms. Want to know of road closures? Better check the relevant DoTs Twitter pages.
    - chatmasta 2y ago
      That’s a legitimate problem, but it’s one that you should take up with DoT, not Twitter. For critical services it may even be illegal, since you can’t access Twitter pages without logging into Twitter, and you can’t signup to Twitter without passing a CAPTCHA and other user-hostile gating mechanisms.

echelon 2y ago

I absolutely detest this person's message and think they're a deeply flawed human being, but the power asymmetry and mechanisms to de-person are orders of magnitude more terrifying. This is 1984 type stuff. The banking pieces probably fall afoul of AML/CTF rules, which is fine. But the social media bans, total wipe of accounts, no process in place for restitution, and no communication are literally mechanisms of de-personing.

semiquaver 2y ago
> literally mechanisms of de-personing A person is not the same thing as their social media account. “Literally de-personing” is usually called murder and is already illegal.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  They are referring to 1984 where any hints on your existence got erased from public knowledge. And I think that there are a few cases where that happened in real life as well, IIRC under Stalin.
snakeyjake 2y ago
I find the act of banning someone from tiktok being equated with "de-personing" them extremely interesting. I think we have very different perspectives on what it means to be human, how much all of this (waves around hand in the general direction of social media) is worth, and what is important. I value tiktok, and all other social media platforms, at nothing. $0.00, maximum. If you built your business on them, you fucked up. If you use them for news, you fucked up. And if you feel that they are needed or important, you DEFINITELY fucked up.
- lesuorac 2y ago
  The problem is that many governments are starting use social media as official platforms. Want to know of road closures? Better check the relevant DoTs Twitter pages.
  - chatmasta 2y ago
    That’s a legitimate problem, but it’s one that you should take up with DoT, not Twitter. For critical services it may even be illegal, since you can’t access Twitter pages without logging into Twitter, and you can’t signup to Twitter without passing a CAPTCHA and other user-hostile gating mechanisms.