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Can anyone get this to work, it shows everything as the same colour

by pipes 2y ago

Insanity 2y ago
Works for me on FF. As a EU citizen who no longer lives there, in part because of the poor salaries, I can't say I'm surprised by the EU 'brain drain'. The EU published a paper on this in 2024, about how they are leaking talent because the high-talented individuals by and large don't stick around. Not just salaries, the other issue is regulation and moving slowly. EDIT, the doc I referred to: https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/97e481fd-2dc3-412d-be4c-f152a8232961_en https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/97e481fd-2dc3...
- geodel 2y ago
  Where are these EU people going to?
  - f1shy 2y ago
    Is a whole circle, people from IT and SP go to DE, from DE to CH, from CH to USA, or Australia.
    - raverbashing 2y ago
      Australia is really not that attractive software wise Seems to attract mostly the British and the Irish with an interest for sunnier but English speaking places
  - Insanity 2y ago
    US is a big one, CA maybe secondary.
- f1shy 2y ago
  To add to the not-so-great salaries, there are high taxes and social fees + VAT of round 20%… OTOH, the typical/mean competence in SW seems relatively low if compared with high salaries countries. For example, as I was hiring last year, it was just impossible to get a candidate that have even heard about functional programming, or anything outside Python and C. A friend of mine was hiring EEs, and the best one he found (hold to your seat!) said an inductor is to resistors in series. There are exceptional good people, but they seem to bot be free in the market.
  - adrianN 2y ago
    I work in Germany and my colleagues are all competent. Maybe the difference is that competent people are hired very early (before they become very competent?) and then tend to stick to the company that trained them?
    - f1shy 2y ago
      That is what I said. I know very competent people. But if you search for new people, is HARD to get good ones.
  - ta1243 2y ago
    According to https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator# https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator# and https://listentotaxman.com/?ingr=100000 https://listentotaxman.com/?ingr=100000 Someone on £100k a year in the UK will keep £68,561 Someone on £100k a year in California will keep £69,291.73 That doesn't feel a massive difference.
    - Insanity 2y ago
      But earning 'only' £100k would be on the lower end in Cali.
      - ta1243 2y ago
        "The median salary for full-time workers in California is $66,986" -- https://www.incomebyzipcode.com/california https://www.incomebyzipcode.com/california Salary difference isn't because of tax (employer NI contributions in the UK are high - £12,500 for £100k, but employer healthcare is high in the US) The assertion was that employee taxes were high in europe. Now they may be in mainland, but in the UK that's not particularly true, not at 100k range anyway. On the California median salary of $67k, in the US you keep $51,915, in the UK you keep $51,741, practically the same. At $500k, in California you'd keep $287k, in the UK $279k, so 3% difference there at the 8-times median CA wage, I'll admit that. At that salary though the employer contribution to tax in the UK is significantly higher than healthcare contribution in the US, so sure, probably around 10% difference in total. There's basically no difference in income taxes between the UK and US, that doesn't explain the massive salary difference.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  I'd love to make more money, but if it requires moving to the US, I am instantly much less interested. Not that I consider myself particularly high-talented.
gspencley 2y ago
It worked for me (Brave). Shows Switzerland as the highest paying (if I had to guess it's due to the financial sector there) with the UK following close behind. Was happy to see Iceland relatively up there, I've heard there's a strong tech sector in Reykjavik and my wife and I are in love with the country and have entertained hypothetical discussions about relocating there (from Canada), even if temporary.
- tobltobs 2y ago
  I don't think it is only because the financial sector pays more than average. They don't reach the pay level of FAANG companies having their R&D in Switzerland. Also be assured that this level is only reached in Zurich.
  - f1shy 2y ago
    And there, after rent and utilities, I do not think is much difference.
- gunnihinn 2y ago
  I think the Icelandic data is a bit skewed upwards. It’s showing senior and principal level salaries in large companies, most “normal” devs earn maybe 70% of that.
- f1shy 2y ago
  Switzerland has high salaries because of the high cost of living. I would like to see aap adjusted by cost of living.
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    yes, definitely needs to be adjusted for COE. >high salaries because of the high cost of living high salaries will cause high cost of living more than high cost of living will require high salaries (because those jobs could just move away (except for those jobs that can't move away because they are needed to support industries with high pay))
f1shy 2y ago
Works for me in safari.

Can anyone get this to work, it shows everything as the same colour

by pipes 2y ago

Can anyone get this to work, it shows everything as the same colour

Works for me on FF. As a EU citizen who no longer lives there, in part because of the poor salaries, I can't say I'm surprised by the EU 'brain drain'. The EU published a paper on this in 2024, about how they are leaking talent because the high-talented individuals by and large don't stick around. Not just salaries, the other issue is regulation and moving slowly. EDIT, the doc I referred to: https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/97e481fd-2dc3-412d-be4c-f152a8232961_en https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/97e481fd-2dc3...

geodel 2y ago
Where are these EU people going to?
- f1shy 2y ago
  Is a whole circle, people from IT and SP go to DE, from DE to CH, from CH to USA, or Australia.
  - raverbashing 2y ago
    Australia is really not that attractive software wise Seems to attract mostly the British and the Irish with an interest for sunnier but English speaking places
- Insanity 2y ago
  US is a big one, CA maybe secondary.
f1shy 2y ago
To add to the not-so-great salaries, there are high taxes and social fees + VAT of round 20%… OTOH, the typical/mean competence in SW seems relatively low if compared with high salaries countries. For example, as I was hiring last year, it was just impossible to get a candidate that have even heard about functional programming, or anything outside Python and C. A friend of mine was hiring EEs, and the best one he found (hold to your seat!) said an inductor is to resistors in series. There are exceptional good people, but they seem to bot be free in the market.
- adrianN 2y ago
  I work in Germany and my colleagues are all competent. Maybe the difference is that competent people are hired very early (before they become very competent?) and then tend to stick to the company that trained them?
  - f1shy 2y ago
    That is what I said. I know very competent people. But if you search for new people, is HARD to get good ones.
- ta1243 2y ago
  According to https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator# https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator# and https://listentotaxman.com/?ingr=100000 https://listentotaxman.com/?ingr=100000 Someone on £100k a year in the UK will keep £68,561 Someone on £100k a year in California will keep £69,291.73 That doesn't feel a massive difference.
  - Insanity 2y ago
    But earning 'only' £100k would be on the lower end in Cali.
    - ta1243 2y ago
      "The median salary for full-time workers in California is $66,986" -- https://www.incomebyzipcode.com/california https://www.incomebyzipcode.com/california Salary difference isn't because of tax (employer NI contributions in the UK are high - £12,500 for £100k, but employer healthcare is high in the US) The assertion was that employee taxes were high in europe. Now they may be in mainland, but in the UK that's not particularly true, not at 100k range anyway. On the California median salary of $67k, in the US you keep $51,915, in the UK you keep $51,741, practically the same. At $500k, in California you'd keep $287k, in the UK $279k, so 3% difference there at the 8-times median CA wage, I'll admit that. At that salary though the employer contribution to tax in the UK is significantly higher than healthcare contribution in the US, so sure, probably around 10% difference in total. There's basically no difference in income taxes between the UK and US, that doesn't explain the massive salary difference.
Hamuko 2y ago
I'd love to make more money, but if it requires moving to the US, I am instantly much less interested. Not that I consider myself particularly high-talented.

gspencley 2y ago

It worked for me (Brave). Shows Switzerland as the highest paying (if I had to guess it's due to the financial sector there) with the UK following close behind. Was happy to see Iceland relatively up there, I've heard there's a strong tech sector in Reykjavik and my wife and I are in love with the country and have entertained hypothetical discussions about relocating there (from Canada), even if temporary.

tobltobs 2y ago
I don't think it is only because the financial sector pays more than average. They don't reach the pay level of FAANG companies having their R&D in Switzerland. Also be assured that this level is only reached in Zurich.
- f1shy 2y ago
  And there, after rent and utilities, I do not think is much difference.
gunnihinn 2y ago
I think the Icelandic data is a bit skewed upwards. It’s showing senior and principal level salaries in large companies, most “normal” devs earn maybe 70% of that.
f1shy 2y ago
Switzerland has high salaries because of the high cost of living. I would like to see aap adjusted by cost of living.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  yes, definitely needs to be adjusted for COE. >high salaries because of the high cost of living high salaries will cause high cost of living more than high cost of living will require high salaries (because those jobs could just move away (except for those jobs that can't move away because they are needed to support industries with high pay))

f1shy 2y ago

Works for me in safari.