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Actually I think Musk is doing the opposite: Europe has since many years suffered with high bureaucracy, strict regulations and in general low innovation level
by tirant 2y ago
Actually I think Musk is doing the opposite:
Europe has since many years suffered with high bureaucracy, strict regulations and in general low innovation levels.
Musk has been very vocal about those issues in Europe. He might be right or wrong, but questioning European levels of bureaucracy and regulations is not undermining EU, it’s going to help it.
- surgical_fire 2y agoNo it's not. Musk just finds regulations icky, because he prefers to chase profits without bothering with governments. EU is fine without rich assholes trying to undermine it.
- Melomomololo 2y agoHe actively engaged now in EU politics. Interview with the afd, using his huge platform for disrespecting politician's etc. He is a clear threat to democracy. The fun stopped at that point.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago[flagged]
- gnkyfrg 2y ago[dead]
- cwbriscoe 2y agoFree speech is a threat to democracy?
- gazchop 2y agoYes, when someone uses it to weaponise or manipulate the population via spreading lies and misinformation. I think the Greeks worked that one out a couple of thousand years ago or so... Free speech does not mean there is no accountability for what you say.
- Melomomololo 2y agoFree speech can be a problem especially when fake/false information is part of it. But let's be honest Elon musk is doing propaganda and the worst version of free speech. You are not bothered by an oligarch buying propaganda platform? / Making himself one?
- red-iron-pine 2y agoonly the US lionizes "free speech" and the first amendment; Europe doesn't immediately roll over when someone invokes the bill of rights. doubly so when their main defense of "free speech" is defending neo-nazi's in the pocket of putin
- jaspa99 2y ago> only the US lionizes "free speech" and the first amendment; Coincidentally, the US is also longest-standing democracy in the world.
- red-iron-pine 2y agofor now. odds are good that may not be the case in four years...
- Melomomololo 2y ago[dead]
- surgical_fire 2y agoEU is not the US buddy. There's no 1st amendment here, and some speech can be considered a illegal. Case in point, I am pretty sure that certain Nazi talking points, such as Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany.
- latexr 2y agoThere’s illegal speech in the US as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
- mft_ 2y agoYou're being hugely reductive. What we're really talking about is the richest man in the world, who owns one of the largest social media platforms in the world, using his financial and social media power to directly influence politics and/or elections according to his whim, and (it seems) currently to the benefit of causes or candidates who are often right-wing, and/or extreme or anti-establishment in some way. There's a lot to unpack there, beyond "free speech".
- lokimedes 2y agoHe is wrong on many things simply from not sharing the fundamental values that makes Europeans and Americans different. Yet, even on the things he’s right on, it is not his responsibility as a foreign agent, to change. He can fix his adopted home country instead.
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- sundaeofshock 2y agoBetter yet, he can fuck off back to South Africa.
- gazchop 2y agoYou're not wrong on the issues of the EU. But Musk is not helping or solving any of those problems. Even conflating the two is idiotic. Sorry.
- oezi 2y agoMusk is actively supporting the neo-nazi Afd in Germany. Whatever his reasons are, he is now the same type of oligarch as Henry Ford was when he supported Nazi Germany. In a recent interview with the party chair of the Afd, it was clear that he is just entirely clueless about the Germany and history in particular. There are a lot of issues in Europe, but it is far from clear if neocon deregulation is really helping anything at all.
- mongol 2y agoIs this interview worthwhile seeing to understand his state if mind? Or does it take a German to understand how clueless he is on this topic?
- oezi 2y agoI think it isn't worthwhile, because the level of lies and fabrication is just insane, e.g. coming to the agreement that Hitler was a communist.
- misja111 2y agoYou might find it worthwhile to watch after all, because they didn't agree on that. Note that I don't agree with the AFD at all, however what the media writes about Musk is often so far from the truth that I tend to watch or read the sources when I have a chance.
- misja111 2y agoIt's in English. I found it worthwhile to watch, for a while. Musk really wasn't too bad but the amount of nonsense coming from Alice Weidel was a bit too much for me in the end. To Musk's credit, he even corrected her a couple of times.
- rurp 2y agoSpreading conspiracy theories and supporting fascists doesn't do anything to help make governance more efficient, if anything it does the opposite.
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago> Musk has been very vocal about those issues in Europe How is this a problem for him? He should mind his own business as he is not European. He is a South African nazi. Why don’t you ask me instead?