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The Texas government decided that red light cameras can't enforce the law. That's how car-brained we are. Muh privacy or something.

moomin 2y ago
Ironically, the right to privacy was questioned by Alito when he helped nullify Roe v Wade. It will be "interesting" to see what other things we consider private aren't private in the eyes of this court. And even more "interesting" to see the converse.
- _cenw 2y ago
  We have a joke over here in Germany that if you want to commit a crime, be sure to do it in a car - keeps you out of prison.
- rcpt 2y ago
  Interesting. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases#:~:text=Writing%20for%20the%20five%2Djustice,guaranteed%20anywhere%20in%20the%20Constitution https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-....
ed312 2y ago
The core issue is those red light cameras create a persistent database of who is where, which is then sold at a marginal cost to whoever wants it to advertise to/manipulate/track a population. Adding cameras everywhere invites a dystopian nightmare vs better urban design and occasional traffic police would solve the same problem.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  i grew up somewhere that had red light cameras, the idea that they are selling the data is BS justification for diminished state capacity to enforce something really important. e: for those downvoting, please point me to a single case of a municipality selling red light violation data if this is such a real concern
- NegativeLatency 2y ago
  Write the legislation so data is not retained/sold. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
- rcpt 2y ago
  "occasional traffic police" have proven ineffective at enforcing the law. And biased humans deciding who to pull over is a lot more of a "dystopian nightmare" than cameras which eliminate those problems entirely https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2402547121 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2402547121

moomin 2y ago

Ironically, the right to privacy was questioned by Alito when he helped nullify Roe v Wade. It will be "interesting" to see what other things we consider private aren't private in the eyes of this court. And even more "interesting" to see the converse.

_cenw 2y ago
We have a joke over here in Germany that if you want to commit a crime, be sure to do it in a car - keeps you out of prison.
rcpt 2y ago
Interesting. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases#:~:text=Writing%20for%20the%20five%2Djustice,guaranteed%20anywhere%20in%20the%20Constitution https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-....

ed312 2y ago

The core issue is those red light cameras create a persistent database of who is where, which is then sold at a marginal cost to whoever wants it to advertise to/manipulate/track a population. Adding cameras everywhere invites a dystopian nightmare vs better urban design and occasional traffic police would solve the same problem.

whimsicalism 2y ago
i grew up somewhere that had red light cameras, the idea that they are selling the data is BS justification for diminished state capacity to enforce something really important. e: for those downvoting, please point me to a single case of a municipality selling red light violation data if this is such a real concern
NegativeLatency 2y ago
Write the legislation so data is not retained/sold. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
rcpt 2y ago
"occasional traffic police" have proven ineffective at enforcing the law. And biased humans deciding who to pull over is a lot more of a "dystopian nightmare" than cameras which eliminate those problems entirely https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2402547121 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2402547121