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47% of 160 Top Selling Protein Powders Tested Exceed P65 Limit for Toxic Metals [pdf]
- giarc 2y ago>This site has been reported as unsafe >Hosted by cleanlabelproject.org >Microsoft recommends you don't continue to this site. It has been reported to >Microsoft for containing phishing threats which may try to steal personal or >financial information.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoThe project annoys me every time it pops up. All that work and no simple table of results? Here's what the "Best protein powders" button hidden on their site links to: https://cleanlabelproject.org/product-categories/?refinementList%5BCategory%5D%5B0%5D=Health%20%26%20Fitness https://cleanlabelproject.org/product-categories/?refinement... WTF is that UI? And where's the data? What are the measurements? And why isn't it a list of protein powders?
- MattGaiser 2y agoGiven the margins on supplements, I assume it is to avoid a battalion of lawyers suing them into the ground.
- tlackemann 2y agoThis is my biggest gripe at the moment. I can't find any information on which brands contained which amount of containments.
- bilekas 2y agoIt would be nice if they actually listed the companies and products that were toxic. That would be useful.
- sctb 2y agoRecently discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42675538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42675538
- a12k 2y agoJust list them. Why won’t they list them??!? Reeks of “this one surprising common household object will cause instant death, watch at 10 to find out which.”
- kingofheroes 2y agoThey'll very likely get sued if they do.
- peppers-ghost 2y agoFear of retaliation is why they're not naming and shaming. I use labdoor.com for any supplements because they show their work.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoThey seem like yet yet another certification cash grab. https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein Are those just the 15 protein powder companies who filled out this form? https://labdoor.com/enterprise/certifications/get-a-quote https://labdoor.com/enterprise/certifications/get-a-quote
- peppers-ghost 2y agoThere's def a probability of conflict of interest but I haven't found a better site. Are you aware of one?
- compass_copium 2y agoTwice the P65 level is 1 ppm lead. That translates to 35 micrograms per serving. Lead is a naturally occuring element. Clean dirt contains 15 to 40 ppm lead. You grow plants in dirt. Guess what happens? They take up a little bit of lead. Ideally I would like to eat 0 micrograms of lead, sure, but I'm not worried about tiny unavoidable amounts of lead from my food.
- riiii 2y agoThe PR guys have arrived.
- compass_copium 2y agoNope, just an analytical chemist who's worked in 3rd party testing labs.
- riiii 2y agoOh well, enjoy your lead consumption anyways.
- compass_copium 2y agoI will! It's nature's sweetener, I've always said :)
- Etheryte 2y agoThere is no amount of lead that's considered safe for consumption. Anything that's not zero is bad for you, doesn't matter what dirt or whatever has in it.
- compass_copium 2y agoYes. There's also no world where you don't take up miniscule amounts of toxic, naturally occuring chemicals.
- ericpauley 2y agoVery strange that, throughout the report, it is noted that there are "no comprehensive federal regulations specifically targeting dietary exposure to heavy metals" and yet in all their results they present violations as exceeding "federal or state" regulations. What federal regulations are they evaluating if there are none? Looks like Prop65 lead limits are 20x lower than conventional USP limits, so even exceeding 2x Prop65 puts you 10x below USP limits [1] for daily exposure. A serving of protein powder is ~10% or more of daily caloric needs so this seems perfectly reasonable. [1] https://goop.com/what-is-prop-65/ https://goop.com/what-is-prop-65/
- ziddoap 2y ago>What federal regulations are they evaluating if there are none? "Federal _or state_". They are evaluating against state regulations.
- ericpauley 2y agoExactly. The inclusion of federal in this statement is vacuous and therefore misleading. You may as well put "federal, state, or galactic".
- dylan604 2y agoWell, the galactic regulations have been publicly available for some time now. We can't help that you didn't find them in the cellar in a cabinet drawer found in the lavatory behind the sign that reads "beware of the leopard"
- crazydoggers 2y agoI think the key word is “comprehensive”. There are definitely federal regulations of heavy metals in food products. See: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-21/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-172 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-21/chapter-I/subchapter-B... https://www.compliancegate.com/heavy-metal-regulations-united-states/ https://www.compliancegate.com/heavy-metal-regulations-unite...
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- aantix 2y agoYou might as well not even publish the report if you're not listing the offending protein powders.
- MattGaiser 2y agoI am not sure anyone outside of an enormous media giant or a government could publish such a report. You would need millions for legal fees in reserve. Little food fraud research ever publishes the offenders unless they are small restaurants and I suspect it is for that reason.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoI don't buy it. Posting data measurements would be even more objective than reviewing products yet scathing product reviews aren't litigated, so where is this hunch coming from? Can you post examples of litigation from revealing measurements of branded food products? It doesn't seem to stop anyone from posting heavy metal content in chocolate bar brands.
- MattGaiser 2y agoMost notable case was in Canada. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/subway-defamation-lawsuit-cbc-chicken-1.5879467 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/subway-defamation-lawsuit-c... CBC was sued by Subway for figuring out that their chicken was less chicken than one might think.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoPfft, didn't you check their website? https://cleanlabelproject.org/the-best-worst-protein-powder-products/ https://cleanlabelproject.org/the-best-worst-protein-powder-... Oh... the "worst protein powders" section is just a link to: https://www.consumerreports.org/health/nutrition-healthy-eating/the-truth-about-protein-drinks-a4199144682/ https://www.consumerreports.org/health/nutrition-healthy-eat... I wouldn't be surprised if they have zero data and it's just a money grab for their "certification badge".
- Melomomololo 2y agoWe apparently get enough protein due daily consumption and the avg sporty person doesn't need protein powder. The only significant and obvious thing to take is creatin. Lots of esoteric believe in the strength/ gym sport. No you do not need to eat rice and chicken and broccoli every single day for gains just because a steroids taking gym bro does it. Go to the gym 2-3 times a week, do enough weight that you can't repeat the exercise after 5-15 reps and do 3 sets min. Magic
- tomlue 2y ago> We apparently get enough protein due daily consumption and the avg sporty person doesn't need protein powder. I don't know what that means. The amount of protein people get varies dramatically. Chicken is a remarkably efficient way to get protein. Greek yogurt is also pretty good. If you haven't measured your protein intake (with an app like myfitnesspal) you should try it. I always thought I was a pretty knowledgable person when it came to nutrition and my eating habits competely changed when I bothered to look up the calorie and macro count of everything I ate. I also dropped 40 pounds and put on a lot of muscle.
- sumtechguy 2y agoSomeone I know uses them for weight control. Their nutritionist recommended one small glass per day to help control hunger. But geeze these protein shake/dietary websites are the most dark pattern sites. countdown clocks, hurry only 3 items left and one disappears while you are looking at it, sneaky monthly addons, extra fee at the end. Look I just want to buy a bucket of whatever protein garbage you are selling that will last 2 months. That they have extra junk in them that should not be there, is unsurprising.
- javcasas 2y agoThat's what I thought too. But after 5 years of gym, I wasn't neither bigger nor leaner. The diet at home was "good enough" - because every unchecked diet is "good enough", regardless of composition. That's what everyone says about their diet. Turns out diet is 60% of gym gains. I'm saying this with no steroids at all.
- nimbius 2y agoThis isnt a scientific report, its an advertisement for "clean label evaluated" products. ostensibly those brands that are most engaged with the clean label organization are featured with their logo at the end of the PDF. you arent supposed to glean enough independent information from this PDF to make an informed decision about anything except the clean label group (that they are good.)
- 2099miles 2y agoI hate this and came to same conclusion. Here I thought I was going to get some third party tested results of popular brands as a public service. Smh
- jchw 2y agoIsn't this essentially a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42675538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42675538 ?
- kreutz 2y agoIt's criminal that they did not include a list
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- stronglikedan 2y agoWell, of course - it's P65 after all. 99% of the products on Earth exceed many of its nonsensical limits.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42675538 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42675538
- instagib 2y agoI’ve been using Dymatize for a while. They submit their product batches for testing of banned and harmful substances. https://choice.wetestyoutrust.com/about/certification-process https://choice.wetestyoutrust.com/about/certification-proces... Elite 100% whey certified since 2013. https://choice.wetestyoutrust.com/supplement-search/dymatize-nutrition/elite-100-whey-protein https://choice.wetestyoutrust.com/supplement-search/dymatize...