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> Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. I would add to the list the Linux Foundation too. https://www

> Currently the main attack facing Firefox is coming from advertising companies such as YouTube. I would add to the list the Linux Foundation too. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-announces-the-launch-of-supporters-of-chromium-based-browsers https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-annou...

tgv 2y ago
My first though: WTF? All hail Manifest v3?
- basilgohar 2y ago
  Linux Foundation is made up of corporations. This should not be a surprising outcome when you think about it that way. Edit: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
  - mossTechnician 2y ago
    And the Chromium supporter group is just a subset of those corporations. Several leading organizations have already pledged their support for the ["Supporters of Chromium-Based Browsers"] initiative, including Google, Meta, Microsoft, and Opera.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Reminds me of the Open Source Initiative. People tell me that licenses like the SSPL aren't open source because the OSI says they aren't. I tell them to look at who comprises the OSI. Nobody has yet showed me a reason why we should believe the OSI when it tells us what open source is or isn't.
dotancohen 2y ago
This is so backwards it seems like a joke. Honestly it reads like a rebel group announcing peace with the dictator and joining the oppression.
- 20after4 2y ago
  Linux foundation is far from a rebel group. Look at who is involved.
  - daghamm 2y ago
    Linux Foundation is much closer to an Evil Corporate than a rebel group. It is a pay-for-legitimacy scheme that abuses the Linux name and goodwill. I wish Linus & co would distance themselves from these people.
    - gjsman-1000 2y ago
      Linus & co do not follow, or respect, the values of the FOSS zealots. He actively dislikes the GPLv3, has a good working relationship with Google on Android and ChromeOS, and has criticized attitudes in the Linux desktop community for over a decade. He famously roasted his own distribution's package maintainer for wasting their life. All hats off to him, frankly. The Linux community can be extremely delusional at times.
      - segasaturn 2y ago
        All that Facebook money has gone to his head I guess. Thankfully we should still have the ability to fork the kernel if he fully loses the plot to corporate interests.
        deleted 2y ago
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        immibis 2y ago
        Let me copy the actually important information from the sibling comment that's about to be deleted, because this is actually important: Linus has hated GPLv3 since at least 2006. Linux development has been over 80% corporate funded for over a decade. FOSS contributors do not have enough talent or interest to maintain the kernel for even a few weeks. If corporate interests weren't in the kernel, the kernel would not run on modern devices, period. It would have fallen behind the times and been abandoned like countless other technologies, or replaced with a new proprietary kernel from someone else. Linux on the desktop is not somewhat usable in spite of corporate interests. Linux on the desktop is usable today because of corporate interests.
surajrmal 2y ago
Note that the effort there is to shift chromium to a more open governance model. This would mean Google has less influence on the project.
- troyvit 2y ago
  And yet Google is a member of the initiative. Maybe, possibly, this initiative coupled with detaching Chromium from Alphabet might lead to an opening of the Chromium engine, but more likely Alphabet joined so that if it _does_ get split off from the mother-ship due to anti-trust they'll still have sway over Chromium's direction. And that will be an advertiser-centric direction. I'll add that whatever the purpose of this project, it isn't going to help the overall openness of the web and will only continue to boost the adoption of an engine that already has an outsized influence over web standards.
- Yizahi 2y ago
  How is that possible? Would Chrome Chromium maintainer make a different implementation decision from the original Chrome, and then support and develop a real branch in the code? To have Google less influence? I highly doubt it. It is all chromewashing, to make it sound as if Chrome Chromium is an independent browser.
  - ilbeeper 2y ago
    The origin(al) is developed within the chromium project, Chrome is already a Google styled chromium fork.
    - Yizahi 2y ago
      That's how it is advertised. But in reality all decisions are made by Google for Chrome and other Chrome forks just implement all of them without questions. Google wants to add a new protocol - all forks add it. Google wants to cripple adblock support - all forks do it. Etc.
      - ilbeeper 2y ago
xvilka 2y ago
They should go all in for Servo as the only future-proof browser engine.

tgv 2y ago

My first though: WTF? All hail Manifest v3?

basilgohar 2y ago
Linux Foundation is made up of corporations. This should not be a surprising outcome when you think about it that way. Edit: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
- mossTechnician 2y ago
  And the Chromium supporter group is just a subset of those corporations. Several leading organizations have already pledged their support for the ["Supporters of Chromium-Based Browsers"] initiative, including Google, Meta, Microsoft, and Opera.
- immibis 2y ago
  Reminds me of the Open Source Initiative. People tell me that licenses like the SSPL aren't open source because the OSI says they aren't. I tell them to look at who comprises the OSI. Nobody has yet showed me a reason why we should believe the OSI when it tells us what open source is or isn't.

dotancohen 2y ago

This is so backwards it seems like a joke. Honestly it reads like a rebel group announcing peace with the dictator and joining the oppression.

20after4 2y ago
Linux foundation is far from a rebel group. Look at who is involved.
- daghamm 2y ago
  Linux Foundation is much closer to an Evil Corporate than a rebel group. It is a pay-for-legitimacy scheme that abuses the Linux name and goodwill. I wish Linus & co would distance themselves from these people.
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Linus & co do not follow, or respect, the values of the FOSS zealots. He actively dislikes the GPLv3, has a good working relationship with Google on Android and ChromeOS, and has criticized attitudes in the Linux desktop community for over a decade. He famously roasted his own distribution's package maintainer for wasting their life. All hats off to him, frankly. The Linux community can be extremely delusional at times.
    - segasaturn 2y ago
      All that Facebook money has gone to his head I guess. Thankfully we should still have the ability to fork the kernel if he fully loses the plot to corporate interests.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - immibis 2y ago
        Let me copy the actually important information from the sibling comment that's about to be deleted, because this is actually important: Linus has hated GPLv3 since at least 2006. Linux development has been over 80% corporate funded for over a decade. FOSS contributors do not have enough talent or interest to maintain the kernel for even a few weeks. If corporate interests weren't in the kernel, the kernel would not run on modern devices, period. It would have fallen behind the times and been abandoned like countless other technologies, or replaced with a new proprietary kernel from someone else. Linux on the desktop is not somewhat usable in spite of corporate interests. Linux on the desktop is usable today because of corporate interests.

surajrmal 2y ago

Note that the effort there is to shift chromium to a more open governance model. This would mean Google has less influence on the project.

troyvit 2y ago
And yet Google is a member of the initiative. Maybe, possibly, this initiative coupled with detaching Chromium from Alphabet might lead to an opening of the Chromium engine, but more likely Alphabet joined so that if it _does_ get split off from the mother-ship due to anti-trust they'll still have sway over Chromium's direction. And that will be an advertiser-centric direction. I'll add that whatever the purpose of this project, it isn't going to help the overall openness of the web and will only continue to boost the adoption of an engine that already has an outsized influence over web standards.
Yizahi 2y ago
How is that possible? Would Chrome Chromium maintainer make a different implementation decision from the original Chrome, and then support and develop a real branch in the code? To have Google less influence? I highly doubt it. It is all chromewashing, to make it sound as if Chrome Chromium is an independent browser.
- ilbeeper 2y ago
  The origin(al) is developed within the chromium project, Chrome is already a Google styled chromium fork.
  - Yizahi 2y ago
    That's how it is advertised. But in reality all decisions are made by Google for Chrome and other Chrome forks just implement all of them without questions. Google wants to add a new protocol - all forks add it. Google wants to cripple adblock support - all forks do it. Etc.
    - ilbeeper 2y ago

xvilka 2y ago

They should go all in for Servo as the only future-proof browser engine.