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Federal Court Upholds Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates in Florida

2 points by hn_acker 2y ago

hn_acker 2y ago
The original title is: > Federal Court Rules In Favor of Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates In Florida
diffid 2y ago
As per usual for this low-quality blog, the claims don't match the reality. This is the policy document: https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Services-Bulletin-15.05.23-1.pdf https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Se... It doesn't mandate "forcibly detransitioning" at all. It recommends a course of psychotherapy, which the author objects to. That's it.
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- hn_acker 2y ago
  No, that's not it. If you ctrl-F for "delusion" in the written policy [1], you'll find the state's justification: > The use of cross-sex hormones as a treatment for gender dysphoria is extensive in its effects, is invasive to the integrity of the human body, has effects and consequences which are not readily known or reversible, and may be requested by persons experiencing short-termed delusions or beliefs which may later be changed and reversed. It deliberately associates transgender people with delusions and the small minority of people who detransition (that is, realize that they aren't transgender) to support a policy that inconveniences the people who are transgender. It's a great way to claim to protect people when the majority of the people who will be affected by the policy won't be protected by it. And the written policy likely was a pretense for rules that shouldn't be written, because the "corrections" officials used the policy to inflict abuse [2]: > Transgender women were told that those who did not cut their hair in compliance with male grooming standards would be forcibly shorn, and those who did not turn in their female undergarments and feminine canteen items would be disciplined. Transgender women were forced to have their breasts examined to determine if their breasts were large enough, in the eyes of the department, to require a bra. ... > The ACLU and ACLU of Florida previously filed a 2016 lawsuit on behalf of Ms. Keohane that led to the now-rescinded policy permitting access to hormone therapy and female clothing and grooming standards for transgender women in FDC custody, which for more than six years permitted hundreds of transgender inmates to access needed gender-affirming care. [1] https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Services-Bulletin-15.05.23-1.pdf https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Se... [2] https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/florida-judge-allows-state-prison-officials-withhold-medical-care-transgender https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/florida-judge-allow...
  - diffid 2y ago
    And a very reasonable justification it is. As it's impossible to know in advance who is actually having short-term delusions and will eventually desist from their gender dysphoric beliefs, it is entirely sensible to have a period of psychotherapy first, to determine if there are any other contributing issues and, hopefully, to mitigate or treat them. Keep in mind that the rate of adverse mental health conditions is higher in the prison population than the general population, and this policy is tailored towards the former and not the latter.

2 points by hn_acker 2y ago

The original title is: > Federal Court Rules In Favor of Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates In Florida

As per usual for this low-quality blog, the claims don't match the reality. This is the policy document: https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Services-Bulletin-15.05.23-1.pdf https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Se... It doesn't mandate "forcibly detransitioning" at all. It recommends a course of psychotherapy, which the author objects to. That's it.

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hn_acker 2y ago
No, that's not it. If you ctrl-F for "delusion" in the written policy [1], you'll find the state's justification: > The use of cross-sex hormones as a treatment for gender dysphoria is extensive in its effects, is invasive to the integrity of the human body, has effects and consequences which are not readily known or reversible, and may be requested by persons experiencing short-termed delusions or beliefs which may later be changed and reversed. It deliberately associates transgender people with delusions and the small minority of people who detransition (that is, realize that they aren't transgender) to support a policy that inconveniences the people who are transgender. It's a great way to claim to protect people when the majority of the people who will be affected by the policy won't be protected by it. And the written policy likely was a pretense for rules that shouldn't be written, because the "corrections" officials used the policy to inflict abuse [2]: > Transgender women were told that those who did not cut their hair in compliance with male grooming standards would be forcibly shorn, and those who did not turn in their female undergarments and feminine canteen items would be disciplined. Transgender women were forced to have their breasts examined to determine if their breasts were large enough, in the eyes of the department, to require a bra. ... > The ACLU and ACLU of Florida previously filed a 2016 lawsuit on behalf of Ms. Keohane that led to the now-rescinded policy permitting access to hormone therapy and female clothing and grooming standards for transgender women in FDC custody, which for more than six years permitted hundreds of transgender inmates to access needed gender-affirming care. [1] https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Services-Bulletin-15.05.23-1.pdf https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2024/12/004-4-Health-Se... [2] https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/florida-judge-allows-state-prison-officials-withhold-medical-care-transgender https://www.aclufl.org/en/press-releases/florida-judge-allow...
- diffid 2y ago
  And a very reasonable justification it is. As it's impossible to know in advance who is actually having short-term delusions and will eventually desist from their gender dysphoric beliefs, it is entirely sensible to have a period of psychotherapy first, to determine if there are any other contributing issues and, hopefully, to mitigate or treat them. Keep in mind that the rate of adverse mental health conditions is higher in the prison population than the general population, and this policy is tailored towards the former and not the latter.