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We shouldnt make general assumptions about any community as a positive on one minority can disparage another community, we are all human, come to see Sikh polit

We shouldnt make general assumptions about any community as a positive on one minority can disparage another community, we are all human, come to see Sikh politics in Punjab and you can make your own judegments.

gjvc 2y ago
"a positive on one minority can disparage another community" horseshit
Brian_K_White 2y ago
Are you Sikh yourself? Because in my experience so far, one would never say a thing like this. While you did. That is an example of the difference in integrity between them and most anyone else. You would say "They're no so perfect", and maybe they aren't, but they would never say the same thing about you, regardless how true.
- moomoo11 2y ago
  Tribalism around made up fantasies is one of the worst attributes of the human. All humans suffer from it.
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    As an atheist myself, in full agreement on all the harms that descend from validating magical thinking. But so what? That's an observation of no relevance. That particular "tribe", fantasy and all, still put me to shame for being good people. Including specifically in the more intellecual impersonal justice/fairness ways that I generally like to think I have down. The observation about the harms of religion, in this case without an actual example of how it applies in this case, ends up only looking defensive. What are you threatened by that you feel the need to try to attack the simple assertion that some people are nice?
    - WeylandYutani 2y ago
      Dutch people are basically atheist, soulless, cold, materialistic and hedonistic assholes but they pay half their income in taxes so that nobody starves. Because it is the right thing to do. Nice is overrated.
      - Brian_K_White 2y ago
        Good for them. So what? Those aspects of the Dutch, even if granted, don't prove or disprove anything about the Sikhs. This conversation isn't trying to claim that religion is good and is the only way to be good. Saying that nice is overrated doesn't really even intersect with the assertion that the Sikhs are very nice. It's not like nice is bad, and my use of the word nice was just a catch-all for a whole bag of virtues, not some narrow definition that means they smile while still abusing peoiple or something. In a follow-up comment I also said "integrity". Is integrity overrated? What did you think you were proving or disproving? And why did you feel the need to in the first place in response to something so benign? What about the original assertion is so threatening?
Beas 2y ago
While I appreciate the sentiment of not glorifying any one demographic, It’s hard for me to take your comment(s) in this thread seriously. As a Sikh, I was raised with the Gurus’ teachings that all paths in life are unique and equal, given the person is genuinely trying to make a positive impact on the world, and that good deeds should be recognized and emulated. I agree with you that Sikh politics in Punjab are often very performative and a hindrance to the progression of the state, but the rest of your comments (like equating langar to prasad in what almost seems like an attempt to erase the uniqueness of Sikhi) comes across as slightly offensive, not to mention inaccurate. At the end of a Sikh ardas (prayer), we pray for “sarbat di bhala”, or the well-being of everyone. To me, this is also a reminder that at the end of the day, we are all the same on some fundamental human level that transcends religious belief and difference, and as a result, I like to find positives in communities and try to apply them to my own life, so I ultimately disagree with the suggestion not to appreciate the positives of one culture/religion because it may “disparage” another that doesn’t have those same practices.

gjvc 2y ago

"a positive on one minority can disparage another community" horseshit

Brian_K_White 2y ago

Are you Sikh yourself? Because in my experience so far, one would never say a thing like this. While you did. That is an example of the difference in integrity between them and most anyone else. You would say "They're no so perfect", and maybe they aren't, but they would never say the same thing about you, regardless how true.

moomoo11 2y ago
Tribalism around made up fantasies is one of the worst attributes of the human. All humans suffer from it.
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  As an atheist myself, in full agreement on all the harms that descend from validating magical thinking. But so what? That's an observation of no relevance. That particular "tribe", fantasy and all, still put me to shame for being good people. Including specifically in the more intellecual impersonal justice/fairness ways that I generally like to think I have down. The observation about the harms of religion, in this case without an actual example of how it applies in this case, ends up only looking defensive. What are you threatened by that you feel the need to try to attack the simple assertion that some people are nice?
  - WeylandYutani 2y ago
    Dutch people are basically atheist, soulless, cold, materialistic and hedonistic assholes but they pay half their income in taxes so that nobody starves. Because it is the right thing to do. Nice is overrated.
    - Brian_K_White 2y ago
      Good for them. So what? Those aspects of the Dutch, even if granted, don't prove or disprove anything about the Sikhs. This conversation isn't trying to claim that religion is good and is the only way to be good. Saying that nice is overrated doesn't really even intersect with the assertion that the Sikhs are very nice. It's not like nice is bad, and my use of the word nice was just a catch-all for a whole bag of virtues, not some narrow definition that means they smile while still abusing peoiple or something. In a follow-up comment I also said "integrity". Is integrity overrated? What did you think you were proving or disproving? And why did you feel the need to in the first place in response to something so benign? What about the original assertion is so threatening?

Beas 2y ago

While I appreciate the sentiment of not glorifying any one demographic, It’s hard for me to take your comment(s) in this thread seriously. As a Sikh, I was raised with the Gurus’ teachings that all paths in life are unique and equal, given the person is genuinely trying to make a positive impact on the world, and that good deeds should be recognized and emulated. I agree with you that Sikh politics in Punjab are often very performative and a hindrance to the progression of the state, but the rest of your comments (like equating langar to prasad in what almost seems like an attempt to erase the uniqueness of Sikhi) comes across as slightly offensive, not to mention inaccurate. At the end of a Sikh ardas (prayer), we pray for “sarbat di bhala”, or the well-being of everyone. To me, this is also a reminder that at the end of the day, we are all the same on some fundamental human level that transcends religious belief and difference, and as a result, I like to find positives in communities and try to apply them to my own life, so I ultimately disagree with the suggestion not to appreciate the positives of one culture/religion because it may “disparage” another that doesn’t have those same practices.