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They just recently snuck bombs into a supply chain and then remotely detonated them in positions where the caused civilian injuries. I would assume the comment

They just recently snuck bombs into a supply chain and then remotely detonated them in positions where the caused civilian injuries. I would assume the comment has nothing to do with religion/race, and everything to do with the actions taken. Even for someone that is a supporter of that government, it's hard to deny they've taken some actions that are unsupportable.

myth_drannon 2y ago
How the hell that is connected to a private software company? Nvidia, Google, Microsoft, Intel is full of ex-8200.
lolinder 2y ago
Who is "they"? Are we talking about Snyk? IDF Unit 8200? The IDF as a whole? The state of Israel? Jews in general? The reason why OP's comment feels like a racist dog whistle is because it's an enormous and dangerous generalization that seems to encompass an entire country. Israel has mandatory military service—if everyone who's ever served in the IDF is untrustworthy because they served in the IDF then you're by definition excluding nearly every Israeli citizen from trust. I guess that's not strictly antisemitism—maybe you're happy to trust Jews that don't live in Israel—but it's definitely an unsavory position to take.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  It's not just the IDF, you have a CHOICE to join the spymaster side of it, vs being a regular grunt. That unit is part of Aman, the military version of Mossad.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    And why would choosing to be a grunt be more morally pure? I'm a techie, if I were forced into conscription I would absolutely choose an option that let me use computers over one that forced me to shoot a gun. There's no way on Earth I can hold it against a bunch of kids who were forced to make that choice that they chose the intelligence arm. And frankly, I have a hard time seeing how someone on this forum could hold that against them in good faith. Nearly everyone here would make the same call given that choice. If you think you wouldn't have, you're probably deluding yourself.
- KennyBlanken 2y ago
  Godwin's got an itch he can't scratch and doesn't know why.... "Encompassing the entire country" would be anti-zionist, not antisemitic. There is a huge difference, and that does not change because the majority of people in that country are a particular religion, just like it's not "Anti-Protestant" if someone attacks Great Britain policies, or "Anti-Hindu" if someone criticizes India. There is a difference, to the extent that there are plenty of jews who are anti-zionist. Would you like to accuse them of being antisemitic because "nearly every Israeli citizen is Jewish"? Also, it's your construct that criticizing the policies and actions of a country's military and government is "anti" that county...
  - lolinder 2y ago
    > Also, it's your construct that criticizing the policies and actions of a country's military and government is "anti" that county... No, it's not—we're in a subthread where the OP said "Just a reminder that Snyk was founded by ex-IDF Unit 8200 soldiers. I would not trust them given what we've seen Israel do to supply chains." They took the country's current policy and made it personal against specific IDF vets. That's what I'm standing against. For the rest, I specifically said that it may not be antisemitic given that it's country-specific, so I'm not sure what you were getting at. I'm still not okay with blanket blaming an entire country's citizenry for its government actions. I wasn't okay with that when it came to Russia and Ukraine, I don't know why I should treat this differently now.

myth_drannon 2y ago

How the hell that is connected to a private software company? Nvidia, Google, Microsoft, Intel is full of ex-8200.

lolinder 2y ago

Who is "they"? Are we talking about Snyk? IDF Unit 8200? The IDF as a whole? The state of Israel? Jews in general? The reason why OP's comment feels like a racist dog whistle is because it's an enormous and dangerous generalization that seems to encompass an entire country. Israel has mandatory military service—if everyone who's ever served in the IDF is untrustworthy because they served in the IDF then you're by definition excluding nearly every Israeli citizen from trust. I guess that's not strictly antisemitism—maybe you're happy to trust Jews that don't live in Israel—but it's definitely an unsavory position to take.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
It's not just the IDF, you have a CHOICE to join the spymaster side of it, vs being a regular grunt. That unit is part of Aman, the military version of Mossad.
- lolinder 2y ago
  And why would choosing to be a grunt be more morally pure? I'm a techie, if I were forced into conscription I would absolutely choose an option that let me use computers over one that forced me to shoot a gun. There's no way on Earth I can hold it against a bunch of kids who were forced to make that choice that they chose the intelligence arm. And frankly, I have a hard time seeing how someone on this forum could hold that against them in good faith. Nearly everyone here would make the same call given that choice. If you think you wouldn't have, you're probably deluding yourself.
KennyBlanken 2y ago
Godwin's got an itch he can't scratch and doesn't know why.... "Encompassing the entire country" would be anti-zionist, not antisemitic. There is a huge difference, and that does not change because the majority of people in that country are a particular religion, just like it's not "Anti-Protestant" if someone attacks Great Britain policies, or "Anti-Hindu" if someone criticizes India. There is a difference, to the extent that there are plenty of jews who are anti-zionist. Would you like to accuse them of being antisemitic because "nearly every Israeli citizen is Jewish"? Also, it's your construct that criticizing the policies and actions of a country's military and government is "anti" that county...
- lolinder 2y ago
  > Also, it's your construct that criticizing the policies and actions of a country's military and government is "anti" that county... No, it's not—we're in a subthread where the OP said "Just a reminder that Snyk was founded by ex-IDF Unit 8200 soldiers. I would not trust them given what we've seen Israel do to supply chains." They took the country's current policy and made it personal against specific IDF vets. That's what I'm standing against. For the rest, I specifically said that it may not be antisemitic given that it's country-specific, so I'm not sure what you were getting at. I'm still not okay with blanket blaming an entire country's citizenry for its government actions. I wasn't okay with that when it came to Russia and Ukraine, I don't know why I should treat this differently now.