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By phone standards, yes. By computer standards, absolutely not.

by troad 2y ago

cocacola1 2y ago
I dunno, I ran my mid-2012 MBP until ~October 2021. In that time, I got it serviced once for a screen issue that they fixed under some program (after the warranty period). I think it got security patches as recently as then. That seemed like a solid run to me.
- troad 2y ago
  The last new OS that a mid-2012 MBP received was High Sierra, in 2017. That was the OS that added warnings about the impending breakage of all existing 32-bit apps (!), you may recall. My own MBP from the same era as yours succumbed to a logic board long before then, and I replaced it with a late 2016 MBP, which came with a touch bar + butterfly keyboard, had terrible performance, stopped receiving updates after Monterey (2021), no longer receives security updates, and (obviously) can't run modern ARM-based Mac software. (Incidentally, it was also the single most expensive computer I ever bought, even to date!) Not a very solid run, I'd say. Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have.
  - cocacola1 2y ago
    I had the Retina, which went up to Catalina (which is the last major OS mine had), but it also got security patches up until 2022. I upgraded to the M1 MBP when they were released, but last I tried, my old MBP still booted up. Ah, yeah, I do recall the horror stories about the butterfly keyboard ones. Sorry to hear it. I was able to skip that entire generation because mine ran like a champ. > Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have. I think this is probably true. Unfortunately, the reason I moved to MacBook's in the first place was because I had a terrible run of Windows PCs & laptops. I think I had 4 or so between 2002 and 2012, but only 1 between 2012 and 2021. I suppose that's why I'm partial to Macs.
    - troad 2y ago
      I hear you! You had a great device through some of the best years of OS X. I wasn't as lucky, but that was a big impetus for eventually pushing me to Linux, where I'm very content with my combo of a Mac-ish DE and actually being in control of my device.
      - cocacola1 2y ago
        Yeah, if I ever were to switch OS’s, it’d probably be to Linux thanks to it being more Maclike. Could never go back to Windows at this point.
adamors 2y ago
What are computer standards actually? I have two macbook pros from 2015 running still, perfectly fine for regular "computer" usage (non-development).
- mixermachine 2y ago
  Your Macbooks no longer receive (security) updates. They already have missed three MacOS releases: https://eshop.macsales.com/guides/Mac_OS_X_Compatibility https://eshop.macsales.com/guides/Mac_OS_X_Compatibility Please don't do anything security critical with them. Other OS providers do support the devices longer. At least for core OS updates.
  - davweb 2y ago
    The last security update to Monterey was in July 2024. 9 years of OS support seems pretty good to me.
  - philistine 2y ago
    > Other OS providers do support the devices longer. At least for core OS updates. Microsoft is abandoning 63% of its user base later this year, with an untold amount of those users unable to update to Windows 11 due to the requirements of a processor released after 2017. Keep in mind that with how the average Windows user buys their device, it's common to see brand new computers with two years old CPUs. With the pandemic having forced everyone to scrape the bottom of the barrel for laptops, there are so many people getting bitten by Microsoft right now.
msoad 2y ago
Not sure why you say this. I know multiple 10+ yo MacBooks still operation.

By phone standards, yes. By computer standards, absolutely not.

by troad 2y ago

By phone standards, yes. By computer standards, absolutely not.

I dunno, I ran my mid-2012 MBP until ~October 2021. In that time, I got it serviced once for a screen issue that they fixed under some program (after the warranty period). I think it got security patches as recently as then. That seemed like a solid run to me.

troad 2y ago
The last new OS that a mid-2012 MBP received was High Sierra, in 2017. That was the OS that added warnings about the impending breakage of all existing 32-bit apps (!), you may recall. My own MBP from the same era as yours succumbed to a logic board long before then, and I replaced it with a late 2016 MBP, which came with a touch bar + butterfly keyboard, had terrible performance, stopped receiving updates after Monterey (2021), no longer receives security updates, and (obviously) can't run modern ARM-based Mac software. (Incidentally, it was also the single most expensive computer I ever bought, even to date!) Not a very solid run, I'd say. Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have.
- cocacola1 2y ago
  I had the Retina, which went up to Catalina (which is the last major OS mine had), but it also got security patches up until 2022. I upgraded to the M1 MBP when they were released, but last I tried, my old MBP still booted up. Ah, yeah, I do recall the horror stories about the butterfly keyboard ones. Sorry to hear it. I was able to skip that entire generation because mine ran like a champ. > Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have. I think this is probably true. Unfortunately, the reason I moved to MacBook's in the first place was because I had a terrible run of Windows PCs & laptops. I think I had 4 or so between 2002 and 2012, but only 1 between 2012 and 2021. I suppose that's why I'm partial to Macs.
  - troad 2y ago
    I hear you! You had a great device through some of the best years of OS X. I wasn't as lucky, but that was a big impetus for eventually pushing me to Linux, where I'm very content with my combo of a Mac-ish DE and actually being in control of my device.
    - cocacola1 2y ago
      Yeah, if I ever were to switch OS’s, it’d probably be to Linux thanks to it being more Maclike. Could never go back to Windows at this point.

adamors 2y ago

What are computer standards actually? I have two macbook pros from 2015 running still, perfectly fine for regular "computer" usage (non-development).

mixermachine 2y ago
Your Macbooks no longer receive (security) updates. They already have missed three MacOS releases: https://eshop.macsales.com/guides/Mac_OS_X_Compatibility https://eshop.macsales.com/guides/Mac_OS_X_Compatibility Please don't do anything security critical with them. Other OS providers do support the devices longer. At least for core OS updates.
- davweb 2y ago
  The last security update to Monterey was in July 2024. 9 years of OS support seems pretty good to me.
- philistine 2y ago
  > Other OS providers do support the devices longer. At least for core OS updates. Microsoft is abandoning 63% of its user base later this year, with an untold amount of those users unable to update to Windows 11 due to the requirements of a processor released after 2017. Keep in mind that with how the average Windows user buys their device, it's common to see brand new computers with two years old CPUs. With the pandemic having forced everyone to scrape the bottom of the barrel for laptops, there are so many people getting bitten by Microsoft right now.

msoad 2y ago

Not sure why you say this. I know multiple 10+ yo MacBooks still operation.