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As information continues to come to light is it actually concievable that the government is actively avoiding investigations that might put the government's imm

As information continues to come to light is it actually concievable that the government is actively avoiding investigations that might put the government's immigration policies into question? That seems to be the unstated in the article. Has the case load dramatically increased, as in were there many more offenses? Were resources cut or reallocated? Did the definition of what counts as a sexual offense or reporting calculations change somehow? The article just doesn't say, which is absurdly bad journalism.

cdot2 2y ago
I was under the impression that this has been verifiably true for years now.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >verifiably true Who/how was it verified?
  - fakedang 2y ago
    There literally was a national-level inquiry investigated when the Tories were in power and a set of recommendations were put forth as a result of that inquiry. The current Labour govt is actively implementing those recommendations. If there's one thing that's bipartisan, it's this.
wryoak 2y ago
It’s not bad journalism, it’s modern journalism! It reports data and invites readers like you to confirm your preconceived biases with it, such that it never challenges those beliefs and risks losing you as a reader, nor risks confirming your beliefs and losing other readers. It’s win win all around!
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xp84 2y ago
The same government which has declared "Asian grooming gangs" to be a 'racist' term for gangs of Pakistani immigrants who committed hundreds of sex crimes against young girls? It's certainly a possibility. [1] https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/islamophobia-racist-grooming-gangs-pakistani-men-5c2lqxcdl https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/islamophobia-racis...
- poisonwomb 2y ago
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- crtasm 2y ago
  Please would you take a moment to consider why people might be so quick to blame this on immigrants and why it might be unhelpful to repeat that claim? Noting the facts given in that Times piece don't support it.
  - me_me_me 2y ago
    because stats, raw numbers are raw numbers and an non-eu imigrant is 5x more likely to commit a serious crime. And lets not open whole muslim can of worms where crime vs infidels are not seen as crimes and even if seen as crime its illegal for muslim to side with infidel side.
a2tech 2y ago
Reading the article linked, then consulting the internet for the most unsolved crimes area, the people in the area are overwhelmingly white and born in the UK. 83% white and 84% born in the UK. Beacon Road: https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/ct103dg https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/ct103dg
- callamdelaney 2y ago
  The police have been for decades failing to bring cases against none white perpetrators to the same degree as they have with white perpetrators for the fear of looking racist. That's what the controversy is about.
callamdelaney 2y ago
I strongly suspect that it's harder to find suspects to charge who have fewer local links and less documentation. I also suspect the CPS is probably failing to bring cases in a level and fair way, why bother when the judge will let them off without jail time because of 'cultural differences'? [0][1]. We know that migrants are 350% more likely to be arrested for sexual crimes than British citizens [2], but that's only some of the picture and the government wont release full figures. [0] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid... [1] https://www.deccanherald.com/world/rapist-uk-spared-jail-being-2238153 https://www.deccanherald.com/world/rapist-uk-spared-jail-bei... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/05/foreign-national-crime-league-table-sexual-offence-migrants/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/05/foreign-national...
- poisonwomb 2y ago
  Do you have a source more credible than right wing tabloids for this?
  - pixxel 2y ago
    [flagged]
poisonwomb 2y ago
Police funding was cut significantly after the financial crisis and is only just being restored to pre-GFC levels: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publication/performance-tracker-2023/police https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publication/perfor... The number of reported sexual offences has increased by double digits over the last reporting period, and did the same in the last one: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2022#domestic-abuse-and-sexual-offences https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand... There are a variety of factors at play behind the rise in reports, including high profile cases such as the abduction, rape and murder of Sarah Everard by a serving police officer, in addition to massive coverage of historic sexual abuse by public figures like Jimmy Savile. There have been multiple high profile campaigns for women’s safety encouraging them to come forward and report cases of sexualised violence. So despite the police force certainly allocating more resources to deal with these cases, the increase outstrips this. In addition, sexualised violence is notoriously difficult to prosecute beyond a reasonable doubt due to the ‘he said she said’ nature of a lot of the evidence and the delay in many of the victims coming forward. Your point about immigration has a simple answer; it’s not a factor. This talking point serves to take very real social problems the country faces and use them to score political points by distorting the facts. Case in point the grooming gangs scandal which was painted as a Pakistani muslim problem when it turns out Asians are UNDERrepresented and whites are actually OVERrepresented in the actual figures (88% of offences were committed by whites with them making up 83% of the population, south asians committed 7% of offences while making up 9% of the population) https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglobalsociety/2025/01/the-grooming-gang-debate-navigating-race-politics-and-justice-in-the-uk/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglobalsociety/2025/01/the-gr... Educate yourself and stop using my country’s problems to further your political agenda.
- ltbarcly3 2y ago
  My political agenda? Its an article from your country that implied it and I called it out for being bad. If you think my comment is pushing that agenda you have poor reading skills, it was very clearly strongly the opposite.
- callamdelaney 2y ago

cdot2 2y ago

I was under the impression that this has been verifiably true for years now.

ziddoap 2y ago
>verifiably true Who/how was it verified?
- fakedang 2y ago
  There literally was a national-level inquiry investigated when the Tories were in power and a set of recommendations were put forth as a result of that inquiry. The current Labour govt is actively implementing those recommendations. If there's one thing that's bipartisan, it's this.

wryoak 2y ago

It’s not bad journalism, it’s modern journalism! It reports data and invites readers like you to confirm your preconceived biases with it, such that it never challenges those beliefs and risks losing you as a reader, nor risks confirming your beliefs and losing other readers. It’s win win all around!

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xp84 2y ago

The same government which has declared "Asian grooming gangs" to be a 'racist' term for gangs of Pakistani immigrants who committed hundreds of sex crimes against young girls? It's certainly a possibility. [1] https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/islamophobia-racist-grooming-gangs-pakistani-men-5c2lqxcdl https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/islamophobia-racis...

poisonwomb 2y ago
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crtasm 2y ago
Please would you take a moment to consider why people might be so quick to blame this on immigrants and why it might be unhelpful to repeat that claim? Noting the facts given in that Times piece don't support it.
- me_me_me 2y ago
  because stats, raw numbers are raw numbers and an non-eu imigrant is 5x more likely to commit a serious crime. And lets not open whole muslim can of worms where crime vs infidels are not seen as crimes and even if seen as crime its illegal for muslim to side with infidel side.

a2tech 2y ago

Reading the article linked, then consulting the internet for the most unsolved crimes area, the people in the area are overwhelmingly white and born in the UK. 83% white and 84% born in the UK. Beacon Road: https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/ct103dg https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/ct103dg

callamdelaney 2y ago
The police have been for decades failing to bring cases against none white perpetrators to the same degree as they have with white perpetrators for the fear of looking racist. That's what the controversy is about.

callamdelaney 2y ago

I strongly suspect that it's harder to find suspects to charge who have fewer local links and less documentation. I also suspect the CPS is probably failing to bring cases in a level and fair way, why bother when the judge will let them off without jail time because of 'cultural differences'? [0][1]. We know that migrants are 350% more likely to be arrested for sexual crimes than British citizens [2], but that's only some of the picture and the government wont release full figures. [0] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid... [1] https://www.deccanherald.com/world/rapist-uk-spared-jail-being-2238153 https://www.deccanherald.com/world/rapist-uk-spared-jail-bei... [2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/05/foreign-national-crime-league-table-sexual-offence-migrants/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/05/foreign-national...

poisonwomb 2y ago
Do you have a source more credible than right wing tabloids for this?
- pixxel 2y ago
  [flagged]

poisonwomb 2y ago

Police funding was cut significantly after the financial crisis and is only just being restored to pre-GFC levels: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publication/performance-tracker-2023/police https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publication/perfor... The number of reported sexual offences has increased by double digits over the last reporting period, and did the same in the last one: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2022#domestic-abuse-and-sexual-offences https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand... There are a variety of factors at play behind the rise in reports, including high profile cases such as the abduction, rape and murder of Sarah Everard by a serving police officer, in addition to massive coverage of historic sexual abuse by public figures like Jimmy Savile. There have been multiple high profile campaigns for women’s safety encouraging them to come forward and report cases of sexualised violence. So despite the police force certainly allocating more resources to deal with these cases, the increase outstrips this. In addition, sexualised violence is notoriously difficult to prosecute beyond a reasonable doubt due to the ‘he said she said’ nature of a lot of the evidence and the delay in many of the victims coming forward. Your point about immigration has a simple answer; it’s not a factor. This talking point serves to take very real social problems the country faces and use them to score political points by distorting the facts. Case in point the grooming gangs scandal which was painted as a Pakistani muslim problem when it turns out Asians are UNDERrepresented and whites are actually OVERrepresented in the actual figures (88% of offences were committed by whites with them making up 83% of the population, south asians committed 7% of offences while making up 9% of the population) https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglobalsociety/2025/01/the-grooming-gang-debate-navigating-race-politics-and-justice-in-the-uk/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/religionglobalsociety/2025/01/the-gr... Educate yourself and stop using my country’s problems to further your political agenda.

ltbarcly3 2y ago
My political agenda? Its an article from your country that implied it and I called it out for being bad. If you think my comment is pushing that agenda you have poor reading skills, it was very clearly strongly the opposite.
callamdelaney 2y ago