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At the risk of defending a megacorp: Apple has always been great about supporting their devices for a long time.

by isatty 2y ago

coro_1 2y ago
Usually yeah. Though it sure appears that a lot of apps requiring a recent iOS lately don't need too. It's curious where that push is coming from, if they're all individual company choices, made at once, for the first time ever.
- rogerrogerr 2y ago
  It’s relatively easy to justify supporting only one or two major versions back if you’re writing an iOS app. There are stats out there on how many active devices are on what version, it’s pretty striking. Especially compared to Android.
  - coro_1 2y ago
    Agreed of course. Though currently iOS 16 is the standard and that goes back about 2.5 years. Which is sort of a shift from many major apps supporting an iOS dating back 4-5 years.
    - pcl 2y ago
      iOS 16 is supported on devices back to iPhone 8, which came out in September 2017. That’s seven and a half years ago. Apple has done a good job of supporting old devices with new OS releases; they also subset old OS’s. That seems like a fair trade.
    - marcellus23 2y ago
      Where are you getting these numbers from? Do you have stats to back them up? When I worked as an app developer we would only support back 2 or 3 versions, and that was 5 years ago. Anecdotally I have not noticed a shift to only supporting more recent OSes.
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troad 2y ago
By phone standards, yes. By computer standards, absolutely not.
- cocacola1 2y ago
  I dunno, I ran my mid-2012 MBP until ~October 2021. In that time, I got it serviced once for a screen issue that they fixed under some program (after the warranty period). I think it got security patches as recently as then. That seemed like a solid run to me.
  - troad 2y ago
    The last new OS that a mid-2012 MBP received was High Sierra, in 2017. That was the OS that added warnings about the impending breakage of all existing 32-bit apps (!), you may recall. My own MBP from the same era as yours succumbed to a logic board long before then, and I replaced it with a late 2016 MBP, which came with a touch bar + butterfly keyboard, had terrible performance, stopped receiving updates after Monterey (2021), no longer receives security updates, and (obviously) can't run modern ARM-based Mac software. (Incidentally, it was also the single most expensive computer I ever bought, even to date!) Not a very solid run, I'd say. Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have.
    - cocacola1 2y ago
      I had the Retina, which went up to Catalina (which is the last major OS mine had), but it also got security patches up until 2022. I upgraded to the M1 MBP when they were released, but last I tried, my old MBP still booted up. Ah, yeah, I do recall the horror stories about the butterfly keyboard ones. Sorry to hear it. I was able to skip that entire generation because mine ran like a champ. > Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have. I think this is probably true. Unfortunately, the reason I moved to MacBook's in the first place was because I had a terrible run of Windows PCs & laptops. I think I had 4 or so between 2002 and 2012, but only 1 between 2012 and 2021. I suppose that's why I'm partial to Macs.
HanClinto 2y ago
It boggles my mind that I'm not able to download the oldest released version of software that was compatible with my old version of iOS. My iPad is too old to upgrade to the new OS, but yet no software is available for it in the store, because all new apps are encouraged to be re-released for the newest version of the OS. My device is completely frozen in time from whatever software was installed on it when it went out of support.
- Ntrails 2y ago
  I have an old iphone somewhere and I also experienced this frustration. I appreciate you're not compatible with my ios - so give me the one that was. I don't care about whatever features you've added However, I do suspect app developers don't want to be on the hook for supporting old versions, should they continue to serve things in need of security fixes etc etc. I don't entirely attribute it to malice.
- philistine 2y ago
  What are you talking about? You can absolutely download the last compatible version of an app: https://appleinsider.com/inside/ios/tips/how-to-get-apps-for-old-iphones-and-ipads https://appleinsider.com/inside/ios/tips/how-to-get-apps-for...
  - HanClinto 2y ago
    Thanks for the link! I wasn't aware of some of these workarounds. Your link is very helpful, but also notes some of the limitations. Namely, this doesn't work if the software has been purged due to not being updated recently, and it doesn't really work to find new-to-me software (that I haven't purchased previously). Even if it's technically possible to reinstall software that I've previously purchased, it is very limited in its ability to install new-to-me software.
    - philistine 2y ago
      Apple is never going to keep an app in the Store if the dev removes it or fails to follow Apple's rules. That's the deal, pray Apple doesn't alter it further.
tacker2000 2y ago
Why is apple always brought up even though they have nothing to do with the topic on hand, and speakers and iphones/laptops are obviously quite different products?
- jdxcode 2y ago
  homepod?

At the risk of defending a megacorp: Apple has always been great about supporting their devices for a long time.

by isatty 2y ago

At the risk of defending a megacorp: Apple has always been great about supporting their devices for a long time.

Usually yeah. Though it sure appears that a lot of apps requiring a recent iOS lately don't need too. It's curious where that push is coming from, if they're all individual company choices, made at once, for the first time ever.

rogerrogerr 2y ago
It’s relatively easy to justify supporting only one or two major versions back if you’re writing an iOS app. There are stats out there on how many active devices are on what version, it’s pretty striking. Especially compared to Android.
- coro_1 2y ago
  Agreed of course. Though currently iOS 16 is the standard and that goes back about 2.5 years. Which is sort of a shift from many major apps supporting an iOS dating back 4-5 years.
  - pcl 2y ago
    iOS 16 is supported on devices back to iPhone 8, which came out in September 2017. That’s seven and a half years ago. Apple has done a good job of supporting old devices with new OS releases; they also subset old OS’s. That seems like a fair trade.
  - marcellus23 2y ago
    Where are you getting these numbers from? Do you have stats to back them up? When I worked as an app developer we would only support back 2 or 3 versions, and that was 5 years ago. Anecdotally I have not noticed a shift to only supporting more recent OSes.
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troad 2y ago

By phone standards, yes. By computer standards, absolutely not.

cocacola1 2y ago
I dunno, I ran my mid-2012 MBP until ~October 2021. In that time, I got it serviced once for a screen issue that they fixed under some program (after the warranty period). I think it got security patches as recently as then. That seemed like a solid run to me.
- troad 2y ago
  The last new OS that a mid-2012 MBP received was High Sierra, in 2017. That was the OS that added warnings about the impending breakage of all existing 32-bit apps (!), you may recall. My own MBP from the same era as yours succumbed to a logic board long before then, and I replaced it with a late 2016 MBP, which came with a touch bar + butterfly keyboard, had terrible performance, stopped receiving updates after Monterey (2021), no longer receives security updates, and (obviously) can't run modern ARM-based Mac software. (Incidentally, it was also the single most expensive computer I ever bought, even to date!) Not a very solid run, I'd say. Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have.
  - cocacola1 2y ago
    I had the Retina, which went up to Catalina (which is the last major OS mine had), but it also got security patches up until 2022. I upgraded to the M1 MBP when they were released, but last I tried, my old MBP still booted up. Ah, yeah, I do recall the horror stories about the butterfly keyboard ones. Sorry to hear it. I was able to skip that entire generation because mine ran like a champ. > Personal anecdotes aside, I don't think it's too disputable that Mac has never taken backwards compatibility or computer longevity anywhere as seriously as Windows or Linux have. I think this is probably true. Unfortunately, the reason I moved to MacBook's in the first place was because I had a terrible run of Windows PCs & laptops. I think I had 4 or so between 2002 and 2012, but only 1 between 2012 and 2021. I suppose that's why I'm partial to Macs.

HanClinto 2y ago

It boggles my mind that I'm not able to download the oldest released version of software that was compatible with my old version of iOS. My iPad is too old to upgrade to the new OS, but yet no software is available for it in the store, because all new apps are encouraged to be re-released for the newest version of the OS. My device is completely frozen in time from whatever software was installed on it when it went out of support.

Ntrails 2y ago
I have an old iphone somewhere and I also experienced this frustration. I appreciate you're not compatible with my ios - so give me the one that was. I don't care about whatever features you've added However, I do suspect app developers don't want to be on the hook for supporting old versions, should they continue to serve things in need of security fixes etc etc. I don't entirely attribute it to malice.
philistine 2y ago
What are you talking about? You can absolutely download the last compatible version of an app: https://appleinsider.com/inside/ios/tips/how-to-get-apps-for-old-iphones-and-ipads https://appleinsider.com/inside/ios/tips/how-to-get-apps-for...
- HanClinto 2y ago
  Thanks for the link! I wasn't aware of some of these workarounds. Your link is very helpful, but also notes some of the limitations. Namely, this doesn't work if the software has been purged due to not being updated recently, and it doesn't really work to find new-to-me software (that I haven't purchased previously). Even if it's technically possible to reinstall software that I've previously purchased, it is very limited in its ability to install new-to-me software.
  - philistine 2y ago
    Apple is never going to keep an app in the Store if the dev removes it or fails to follow Apple's rules. That's the deal, pray Apple doesn't alter it further.

tacker2000 2y ago

Why is apple always brought up even though they have nothing to do with the topic on hand, and speakers and iphones/laptops are obviously quite different products?

jdxcode 2y ago
homepod?