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Relevant clarification from the CEO in question: https://x.com/MikeyShulman/status/1878600121333457351 https://x.com/MikeyShulman/status/1878600121333457351

kerkeslager 2y ago
You mean "Backpedaling from the CEO in question."
lolinder 2y ago
That's... an odd clarification. I mean, yes, a lot of people drop out of music because it's hard to get good at it and stay good at it. But how does Suno AI solve that problem? How does Suno make it easier for someone to learn how to express themselves through a musical instrument? How does it make it easier for people to enjoy the craft of sound? This doesn't work as a clarification because it doesn't explain why his original comment was relevant when talking about his company. What would explain it is if he meant exactly what the interviewer took it as: that he believes more people want the end result of musical creation—the musical piece—more than they do the creative process itself. Because that's what Suno AI does do: it shortcuts the path to statistically average sounds.
- Animats 2y ago
  > I mean, yes, a lot of people drop out of music because it's hard to get good at it and stay good at it. But how does Suno AI solve that problem? How does Suno make it easier for someone to learn how to express themselves through a musical instrument? The same way DJing does? That's a form of music "creation" which involves less skill than mastering a musical instrument.
  - vunderba 2y ago
    Pedantic but important distinction - most DJing is really more comparable to "performative art" then it is to creation. And the answer is, while Suno/Udio does make it easier to create music, it does not make it easier to express oneself through music. The disconnect between the input medium (text) and the output medium (music) is simply too vast to allow for much individual control.
  - ghusto 2y ago
    DJing is not a form of music creation, it's a form of music playing. If you mean free-form mixing and music creation based on samples and synth some DJs do on stage, then yes that's music creation, and it involves skill.
    - mingus88 2y ago
      Interestingly, even in music schools there is a kind of snobbery from composers that performers are lesser musicians That is, if you are world class pianist and tour the world playing classical music, you are still lesser than a composer who creates their own works. Is an actor not an artist because they didn’t write the lines and aren’t directing the scene? Interpretation is art. Performing is art. That includes DJing at some level, because at the end of the day we are all using the medium of music to express ourselves and bring that experience to others, regardless of who wrote the notes on the page or put the track on vinyl
      - Animats 2y ago
        > you are still lesser than a composer who creates their own works. That concept goes back to "There's nothing remarkable about (the piano). All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself." -- Johann Sebastian Bach
        polotics 2y ago
        J.S. was such a troll, what for a sick burn from Bach-MC :-D
        defrost 2y ago
        "K. 231" ~ Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
    - qmmmur 2y ago
      DJing is absolutely a form of music creation. Maybe not always in the moment of performance but the curation, mixing techniques, resampling, etc. wildly confident takes on this all throughout this post.
legitster 2y ago
He's not wrong, but this is such a weird angle to take. He's trying to make a classic startup "trouble statement" and it's not working. There's a lot of people who want to be skinny without having to workout, but you shouldn't lead with "people hate exercising". The trouble statement isn't that "people hate making music". It's that only people who enjoy making music can currently make the music they want.

kerkeslager 2y ago

You mean "Backpedaling from the CEO in question."

lolinder 2y ago

That's... an odd clarification. I mean, yes, a lot of people drop out of music because it's hard to get good at it and stay good at it. But how does Suno AI solve that problem? How does Suno make it easier for someone to learn how to express themselves through a musical instrument? How does it make it easier for people to enjoy the craft of sound? This doesn't work as a clarification because it doesn't explain why his original comment was relevant when talking about his company. What would explain it is if he meant exactly what the interviewer took it as: that he believes more people want the end result of musical creation—the musical piece—more than they do the creative process itself. Because that's what Suno AI does do: it shortcuts the path to statistically average sounds.

Animats 2y ago
> I mean, yes, a lot of people drop out of music because it's hard to get good at it and stay good at it. But how does Suno AI solve that problem? How does Suno make it easier for someone to learn how to express themselves through a musical instrument? The same way DJing does? That's a form of music "creation" which involves less skill than mastering a musical instrument.
- vunderba 2y ago
  Pedantic but important distinction - most DJing is really more comparable to "performative art" then it is to creation. And the answer is, while Suno/Udio does make it easier to create music, it does not make it easier to express oneself through music. The disconnect between the input medium (text) and the output medium (music) is simply too vast to allow for much individual control.
- ghusto 2y ago
  DJing is not a form of music creation, it's a form of music playing. If you mean free-form mixing and music creation based on samples and synth some DJs do on stage, then yes that's music creation, and it involves skill.
  - mingus88 2y ago
    Interestingly, even in music schools there is a kind of snobbery from composers that performers are lesser musicians That is, if you are world class pianist and tour the world playing classical music, you are still lesser than a composer who creates their own works. Is an actor not an artist because they didn’t write the lines and aren’t directing the scene? Interpretation is art. Performing is art. That includes DJing at some level, because at the end of the day we are all using the medium of music to express ourselves and bring that experience to others, regardless of who wrote the notes on the page or put the track on vinyl
    - Animats 2y ago
      > you are still lesser than a composer who creates their own works. That concept goes back to "There's nothing remarkable about (the piano). All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself." -- Johann Sebastian Bach
      - polotics 2y ago
        J.S. was such a troll, what for a sick burn from Bach-MC :-D
        defrost 2y ago
        "K. 231" ~ Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
  - qmmmur 2y ago
    DJing is absolutely a form of music creation. Maybe not always in the moment of performance but the curation, mixing techniques, resampling, etc. wildly confident takes on this all throughout this post.

legitster 2y ago

He's not wrong, but this is such a weird angle to take. He's trying to make a classic startup "trouble statement" and it's not working. There's a lot of people who want to be skinny without having to workout, but you shouldn't lead with "people hate exercising". The trouble statement isn't that "people hate making music". It's that only people who enjoy making music can currently make the music they want.