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Sure, some of the web is read-only, but what about commenting, contact forms, forums, eCommerce or anything else that requires a proper server? That's a big adv

Sure, some of the web is read-only, but what about commenting, contact forms, forums, eCommerce or anything else that requires a proper server? That's a big advantage WP and other full CMS have over static site generators.

xp84 2y ago
A lot of corpsites are wordpress, and are modified once a quarter or so, those should not be running wordpress internet-facing due to its terrible performance and constant susceptibility to vulnerabilities (or that of its themes/plugins landscape due to it being all pure PHP that can do anything). Wordpress is a useful tool to generate static sites though, I've done that before and it's glorious. Use all the friendly authoring tools of WP and then click a button to write out an updated blob of HTML files to be served by Cloudflare or whatever. As for forums, those almost don't exist anymore, and contact forms and ecommerce are better off being handled by software designed to do that rather than some plugin shoehorned into an early-2000s PHP blogging platform. For example, contact forms in Hubspot or Salesforce, and ecommerce with Shopify. Edit to add: If someone's technical enough to be self-hosting Wordpress the open-source project, I would trust them to do a fine job at selecting a more focused alternative OSS project for those "actual server" needs.
- radium3d 2y ago
  Gravity forms is actually quite an amazing form system. Do you have another that handles repeater fields and all the rest with a great ux?
carlosjobim 2y ago
Every ecommerce requirement is better served by iframes than by WordPress plugins.
- debesyla 2y ago
  Sorry, how would shopping cart (list of products to be soon bought) in an iframe is "better" than outputting it straight to the page HTML? Wouldn't it make it hard to design it?
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    There's almost always an iframe solution for your industry, no matter what you're selling online. If you're selling accommodation, it's Sirvoy. If you're selling events it's TicketTailor, if you're selling restaurant tables or food delivery, there's countless iframe solutions. For other things, there's Shopify and more. There's always a better iframe alternative to Wordpress, that is easier to develop, easier and cheaper for the client, easier for the customer, and safer from hacking. Usually without any maintenance at all. Or if you're really making some big time e-commerce stuff, then you're better off with bespoke solutions than something hacked together with WordPress.

xp84 2y ago

A lot of corpsites are wordpress, and are modified once a quarter or so, those should not be running wordpress internet-facing due to its terrible performance and constant susceptibility to vulnerabilities (or that of its themes/plugins landscape due to it being all pure PHP that can do anything). Wordpress is a useful tool to generate static sites though, I've done that before and it's glorious. Use all the friendly authoring tools of WP and then click a button to write out an updated blob of HTML files to be served by Cloudflare or whatever. As for forums, those almost don't exist anymore, and contact forms and ecommerce are better off being handled by software designed to do that rather than some plugin shoehorned into an early-2000s PHP blogging platform. For example, contact forms in Hubspot or Salesforce, and ecommerce with Shopify. Edit to add: If someone's technical enough to be self-hosting Wordpress the open-source project, I would trust them to do a fine job at selecting a more focused alternative OSS project for those "actual server" needs.

radium3d 2y ago
Gravity forms is actually quite an amazing form system. Do you have another that handles repeater fields and all the rest with a great ux?

carlosjobim 2y ago

Every ecommerce requirement is better served by iframes than by WordPress plugins.

debesyla 2y ago
Sorry, how would shopping cart (list of products to be soon bought) in an iframe is "better" than outputting it straight to the page HTML? Wouldn't it make it hard to design it?
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  There's almost always an iframe solution for your industry, no matter what you're selling online. If you're selling accommodation, it's Sirvoy. If you're selling events it's TicketTailor, if you're selling restaurant tables or food delivery, there's countless iframe solutions. For other things, there's Shopify and more. There's always a better iframe alternative to Wordpress, that is easier to develop, easier and cheaper for the client, easier for the customer, and safer from hacking. Usually without any maintenance at all. Or if you're really making some big time e-commerce stuff, then you're better off with bespoke solutions than something hacked together with WordPress.