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> You asked for (quoting) "Exactly how many people have fallen for the scam, out of all computer users". Not every crime is reported, duh. Not every crime is r

by lapcat 2y ago

> You asked for (quoting) "Exactly how many people have fallen for the scam, out of all computer users". Not every crime is reported, duh. Not every crime is reported, but it's indisputable that a lot of crimes are reported. So give me a statistic, any reported statistic. > If you believe that nobody has ever fallen for phishing, Nigerian-prince, etc. etc. scams, well, I don't know what colour the sky is on your world, but it's not the same as on mine... How do you know this, except from reports by victims? That's what I'm asking for. And once again, you haven't explained the mechanism by which vendor lockdown prevents this scam. However many or few victims there are of the scam, precisely zero of them are helped by vendor lockdown. I'm not going to stop asking how to explain how vendor lockdown is event relevant here. > If you further believe that allowing everyone root access to devices that are also linked directly to their bank accounts, social security numbers, driving licenses, etc. etc. This is hand waving, and it's not clear how root access by the owner of the device somehow exposes userland data to criminals. Moreover, all of this data is on desktop computers, and it's mostly fine.

spacedcowboy 2y ago
[sigh] fine. You believe whatever you want. As I said, I don't care about the current OS situation, I think it's actually pretty well reasoned out. I'm not spending my time tracking down statistics for you to "prove" some point to some other person on the internet. I don't care enough to argue. Have a nice life.
- lapcat 2y ago
  > I'm not spending my time tracking down statistics for you to "prove" some point to some other person on the internet. A simple Google search would do: "Nigerian prince’ email scams still rake in over $700,000 a year" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/nigerian-prince-scams-still-rake-in-over-700000-dollars-a-year.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/nigerian-prince-scams-still-... $700k a year as an excuse to lock down over a billion smartphones? Not to mention that once again, this is an email scam, and thus vendor lockdown is irrelevant and doesn't prevent it. It appears that you're the one believing whatever you want to believe, despite the empirical facts. The problem is that proponents of vendor lockdown always make gross exaggerations to defend it, pure fearmongering.

by lapcat 2y ago

spacedcowboy 2y ago

[sigh] fine. You believe whatever you want. As I said, I don't care about the current OS situation, I think it's actually pretty well reasoned out. I'm not spending my time tracking down statistics for you to "prove" some point to some other person on the internet. I don't care enough to argue. Have a nice life.

lapcat 2y ago
> I'm not spending my time tracking down statistics for you to "prove" some point to some other person on the internet. A simple Google search would do: "Nigerian prince’ email scams still rake in over $700,000 a year" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/nigerian-prince-scams-still-rake-in-over-700000-dollars-a-year.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/nigerian-prince-scams-still-... $700k a year as an excuse to lock down over a billion smartphones? Not to mention that once again, this is an email scam, and thus vendor lockdown is irrelevant and doesn't prevent it. It appears that you're the one believing whatever you want to believe, despite the empirical facts. The problem is that proponents of vendor lockdown always make gross exaggerations to defend it, pure fearmongering.