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>switch to a static site generator like Hugo or Zola At that point just write your own HTML and never be beholden to some abstraction framework toolkit corpora

>switch to a static site generator like Hugo or Zola At that point just write your own HTML and never be beholden to some abstraction framework toolkit corporation cooperative ever again.

hu3 2y ago
Soon enough AI will write most of blog/marketing HTML.
- labster 2y ago
  And then we can develop systems that save user prompts, automatically and dynamically regenerating page content as the AI models are updated.
  - hu3 2y ago
    Add simple version control to keep history of changes. Slap some workflow/approval process. And you have a product!
    - 9dev 2y ago
      Amazing. You just ruined the internet for everyone, making us all wade through heaps of meaningless bullshit, only generated to drive the ad revenue! And do you know what’s the best part about that? You even made money off of that you can use to purchase the stuff you got ads for! Isn’t that exciting? Thank you for your service!
      - hu3 2y ago
        Yeah I'm sure my 3 line comment is to blame for whatever damage AI does to the internet. I'll take the compliment anyway :)
boscillator 2y ago
I find markdown to be a more productive way to write prose than HTML. It also shouldn't be too hard to port from one generator to another, given that the content is just markdown.
- withinboredom 2y ago
  it isn't "just" markdown though. "top matter" and custom html tags and custom htm in-general kinda breaks the appeal.
akho 2y ago
Have you tried maintaining a blog with plain hand-written HTML? You need, at the least, single post pages (for permalinks), an index page, and an RSS feed — all slightly different views of the same content. It gets messy, and at some point you write your own SSG, which somehow becomes worse. This is without going into how you ideally want an image pipeline, sitemaps, cards for twitter and stuff, maybe category pages, …
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >Have you tried maintaining a blog with plain hand-written HTML? Yes. It's all a lot simpler than dealing with some abstraction framework toolkit, at least for me. Maybe it's because I learned to write websites in the early 2000s where writing your own HTML and CSS was par for the course. You'd also write PHP or Ruby or ASP or something if you wanted to get fancy.
  - akho 2y ago
    It's certainly easier until you have to deal with different views of the same content. I do not trust myself to keep things consistent, and neither should you. Back in the day I'd have clobbered something together with SSIs to have, at least, a single copy of text to maintain, but that gets old quickly. A determined and focused person can probably make do with single-post pages and a titles-only styled rss. Hugo and Zola serve a wider audience.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      >It's certainly easier until you have to deal with different views of the same content. I do not trust myself to keep things consistent, and neither should you. I would argue that's not a "static" website, but even so that's still nothing some smart usage of PHP includes or the like can't easily solve.
      - akho 2y ago
        The whole point of ssg is to run those "PHP includes" once.
carlosjobim 2y ago
You are completely right and the people down voting you are severely deranged. A HTML site + a wysiwyg solution like Surreal CMS is miles better than any site generators, easy to use for the client, and dirt cheap.

>switch to a static site generator like Hugo or Zola At that point just write your own HTML and never be beholden to some abstraction framework toolkit corporation cooperative ever again.

hu3 2y ago

Soon enough AI will write most of blog/marketing HTML.

labster 2y ago
And then we can develop systems that save user prompts, automatically and dynamically regenerating page content as the AI models are updated.
- hu3 2y ago
  Add simple version control to keep history of changes. Slap some workflow/approval process. And you have a product!
  - 9dev 2y ago
    Amazing. You just ruined the internet for everyone, making us all wade through heaps of meaningless bullshit, only generated to drive the ad revenue! And do you know what’s the best part about that? You even made money off of that you can use to purchase the stuff you got ads for! Isn’t that exciting? Thank you for your service!
    - hu3 2y ago
      Yeah I'm sure my 3 line comment is to blame for whatever damage AI does to the internet. I'll take the compliment anyway :)

boscillator 2y ago

I find markdown to be a more productive way to write prose than HTML. It also shouldn't be too hard to port from one generator to another, given that the content is just markdown.

withinboredom 2y ago
it isn't "just" markdown though. "top matter" and custom html tags and custom htm in-general kinda breaks the appeal.

akho 2y ago

Have you tried maintaining a blog with plain hand-written HTML? You need, at the least, single post pages (for permalinks), an index page, and an RSS feed — all slightly different views of the same content. It gets messy, and at some point you write your own SSG, which somehow becomes worse. This is without going into how you ideally want an image pipeline, sitemaps, cards for twitter and stuff, maybe category pages, …

Dalewyn 2y ago
>Have you tried maintaining a blog with plain hand-written HTML? Yes. It's all a lot simpler than dealing with some abstraction framework toolkit, at least for me. Maybe it's because I learned to write websites in the early 2000s where writing your own HTML and CSS was par for the course. You'd also write PHP or Ruby or ASP or something if you wanted to get fancy.
- akho 2y ago
  It's certainly easier until you have to deal with different views of the same content. I do not trust myself to keep things consistent, and neither should you. Back in the day I'd have clobbered something together with SSIs to have, at least, a single copy of text to maintain, but that gets old quickly. A determined and focused person can probably make do with single-post pages and a titles-only styled rss. Hugo and Zola serve a wider audience.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >It's certainly easier until you have to deal with different views of the same content. I do not trust myself to keep things consistent, and neither should you. I would argue that's not a "static" website, but even so that's still nothing some smart usage of PHP includes or the like can't easily solve.
    - akho 2y ago
      The whole point of ssg is to run those "PHP includes" once.

carlosjobim 2y ago

You are completely right and the people down voting you are severely deranged. A HTML site + a wysiwyg solution like Surreal CMS is miles better than any site generators, easy to use for the client, and dirt cheap.