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"I don't pay property taxes to make some head of OmniCorp Education LLC a multimillionaire." In my city, school district administrators are multimillionaires.

"I don't pay property taxes to make some head of OmniCorp Education LLC a multimillionaire." In my city, school district administrators are multimillionaires. "It's supposed to be a monopoly." Is that a good thing? "Your local school district is the default." Why ought that to be the case? "You can educate your child yourself, or pay another educational institution to do it for you." That's what I do, and the sticker price is less per year than the annual per-student opex of my local school district.

frumper 2y ago
Private schools do not play by the same rules. Special education and transportation are a significant cost of public schools that private schools can just ignore.
lenerdenator 2y ago
> Is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? There are plenty of good public schools in the United States. They typically tend to geographically coincide with places with high average household income and thus lots of funding through property taxes, though that's not the only advantage money gives them. > Why ought that to be the case? Because society benefits when all children have at least some education from the age of five to sixteen, if not longer. There were times throughout history (up until relatively recently, actually - think prior to WWII) where there was lots of competition for your educational dollars. The problem was, if you didn't have educational dollars to spend, your kid got no education. And now that there's more urban than rural population in the US, you can't even just tell junior to help you with farm chores. You'll just have youths doing... well, it's hard to tell, but when kids don't have anywhere they have to be or anything they have to do, it usually turns out poorly for them and their communities. > That's what I do, and the sticker price is less per year than the annual per-student opex of my local school district. I bet it is. The average child who attends a private school typically comes from a household that has more financial resources, and thus, requires less of the social safety net that is often provided through school districts. These schools are also free to tell more "expensive" students (read: neurodivergent and disabled children) to pound sand when it comes to their needs.
- rahimnathwani 2y ago
  "There are plenty of good public schools in the United States." I live in one of the wealthiest cities in the US. Government-run schools are funded to the tune of $27k per student per year. I had hoped to send my son to one of those schools, until I discovered that none of them would have provided him an appropriate education. "Because society benefits when all children have at least some education from the age of five to sixteen, if not longer." This is an argument for taxpayer-funded education. I have not said anything against taxpayer-funding of K-12 education. This doesn't mean it has to be government-run. "These schools are also free to tell more "expensive" students (read: neurodivergent and disabled children) to pound sand when it comes to their needs." This is a reasonable argument with respect to private schools, but doesn't explain why the nearby charter schools, who admit students purely by lottery, are so much more efficient than the government-run schools.
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    > I live in one of the wealthiest cities in the US. Government-run schools are funded to the tune of $27k per student per year. I had hoped to send my son to one of those schools, until I discovered that none of them would have provided him an appropriate education. Sounds like it's time to raise hell at a district meeting. > This is an argument for taxpayer-funded education. I have not said anything against taxpayer-funding of K-12 education. This doesn't mean it has to be government-run. Most non-public education options in the US are run by religious institutions. The First Amendment to the US Constitution is supposed to build a wall between church and state. I also want at least some say in how my tax dollars are spent. There are absolutely people in my county and state where people would take my tax dollars and spend them at the K-12 version of a bible college. > This is a reasonable argument with respect to private schools, but doesn't explain why the nearby charter schools, who admit students purely by lottery, are so much more efficient than the government-run schools. If your parents have the time and energy to study out which charter school to send you to and put you into a lottery, there's a pretty good chance you have the resources at home to have a quality education regardless of who operates the school. That last point brings up an ugly thing about privatization that many proponents of vouchers don't want to talk about: optimizing family structures for shareholder returns over the last 50 years (meaning both parents working outside of the home for stagnant wages) has had a negative impact on the children of this country, and you can't just fix that by telling the local school district to split their funding with another educational system.
lenerdenator 2y ago
> In my city, school district administrators are multimillionaires. In many more cities, they aren't. Furthermore, I don't necessarily see what the problem is. Are public employees necessarily supposed to live as paupers? Government agencies can't just tell the people they want to work for them that they have to do so. They have to offer a competitive salary and benefits package. Many school administrators are operating organizations with hundreds, if not thousands, of employees and hundreds of millions of dollars in assets, with heavy regulatory requirements. Many have masters or doctoral degrees. The same would be demanded by other schooling providers, because that stuff doesn't magically go away when you let people compete for tax dollars.

frumper 2y ago

Private schools do not play by the same rules. Special education and transportation are a significant cost of public schools that private schools can just ignore.

lenerdenator 2y ago

> Is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? There are plenty of good public schools in the United States. They typically tend to geographically coincide with places with high average household income and thus lots of funding through property taxes, though that's not the only advantage money gives them. > Why ought that to be the case? Because society benefits when all children have at least some education from the age of five to sixteen, if not longer. There were times throughout history (up until relatively recently, actually - think prior to WWII) where there was lots of competition for your educational dollars. The problem was, if you didn't have educational dollars to spend, your kid got no education. And now that there's more urban than rural population in the US, you can't even just tell junior to help you with farm chores. You'll just have youths doing... well, it's hard to tell, but when kids don't have anywhere they have to be or anything they have to do, it usually turns out poorly for them and their communities. > That's what I do, and the sticker price is less per year than the annual per-student opex of my local school district. I bet it is. The average child who attends a private school typically comes from a household that has more financial resources, and thus, requires less of the social safety net that is often provided through school districts. These schools are also free to tell more "expensive" students (read: neurodivergent and disabled children) to pound sand when it comes to their needs.

rahimnathwani 2y ago
"There are plenty of good public schools in the United States." I live in one of the wealthiest cities in the US. Government-run schools are funded to the tune of $27k per student per year. I had hoped to send my son to one of those schools, until I discovered that none of them would have provided him an appropriate education. "Because society benefits when all children have at least some education from the age of five to sixteen, if not longer." This is an argument for taxpayer-funded education. I have not said anything against taxpayer-funding of K-12 education. This doesn't mean it has to be government-run. "These schools are also free to tell more "expensive" students (read: neurodivergent and disabled children) to pound sand when it comes to their needs." This is a reasonable argument with respect to private schools, but doesn't explain why the nearby charter schools, who admit students purely by lottery, are so much more efficient than the government-run schools.
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  > I live in one of the wealthiest cities in the US. Government-run schools are funded to the tune of $27k per student per year. I had hoped to send my son to one of those schools, until I discovered that none of them would have provided him an appropriate education. Sounds like it's time to raise hell at a district meeting. > This is an argument for taxpayer-funded education. I have not said anything against taxpayer-funding of K-12 education. This doesn't mean it has to be government-run. Most non-public education options in the US are run by religious institutions. The First Amendment to the US Constitution is supposed to build a wall between church and state. I also want at least some say in how my tax dollars are spent. There are absolutely people in my county and state where people would take my tax dollars and spend them at the K-12 version of a bible college. > This is a reasonable argument with respect to private schools, but doesn't explain why the nearby charter schools, who admit students purely by lottery, are so much more efficient than the government-run schools. If your parents have the time and energy to study out which charter school to send you to and put you into a lottery, there's a pretty good chance you have the resources at home to have a quality education regardless of who operates the school. That last point brings up an ugly thing about privatization that many proponents of vouchers don't want to talk about: optimizing family structures for shareholder returns over the last 50 years (meaning both parents working outside of the home for stagnant wages) has had a negative impact on the children of this country, and you can't just fix that by telling the local school district to split their funding with another educational system.

lenerdenator 2y ago

> In my city, school district administrators are multimillionaires. In many more cities, they aren't. Furthermore, I don't necessarily see what the problem is. Are public employees necessarily supposed to live as paupers? Government agencies can't just tell the people they want to work for them that they have to do so. They have to offer a competitive salary and benefits package. Many school administrators are operating organizations with hundreds, if not thousands, of employees and hundreds of millions of dollars in assets, with heavy regulatory requirements. Many have masters or doctoral degrees. The same would be demanded by other schooling providers, because that stuff doesn't magically go away when you let people compete for tax dollars.