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> Twitter, which was arguably the hub of wokeness This is a fake news. Research shows that Twitter algorithmic amplification favored right-wing politics even b
by p4bl0 2y ago
> Twitter, which was arguably the hub of wokeness
This is a fake news. Research shows that Twitter algorithmic amplification favored right-wing politics even before Musk made it even worse. See: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
> On the other hand, the people on the far left have only themselves to blame; they could tilt Twitter back to the left tomorrow if they wanted to.
Being this much clueless in pg's position is not possible. I can only assume he's consciously lying. He can see front row what Musk does with Twitter and how the "free speech" he's supposedly defending is actually "what Musk likes to hear speech", and he perfectly knows Musk is strongly aligned with the far right that he supports however he can all over the world. See for example: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-doubles-down-on-support-for-german-far-right-leader_6736883_143.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-dou...
- jiriknesl 2y agoCan you prove it? Do you have any proof that Twitter promotes right leaning views more than left leaning ones? "When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression" Twitter was discriminating against right leaning views. Extreme far left views (like communism) were absolutely OK and widespread on Twitter. If one had as extreme right leaning views, he would be shadowbanned, reprioritised etc. What is Twitter now is a fair game. Every voice is heard the same. What Twitter is doing now should have been the norm the whole time. And the same is true for all major social networks, search engines, public funded media, universities and other organizations. When only leftists get their voice heard, they got used to it. Loosing this privilege looks like discrimination, doesn't it?
- apsec112 2y agoBased on looking at the "Latest" feed (which shouldn't be biased by the algorithm), and on what newly created accounts see, right-wing posts on Twitter outnumber left-wing posts something like 10:1.
- 650REDHAIR 2y ago"What is Twitter now is a fair game. Every voice is heard the same. What Twitter is doing now should have been the norm the whole time." Where is your proof for that being true? I was a left-leaning voice that was banned from Twitter after changing my display name (not handle) to "Elon's Musk". How is that free speech?
- Cumpiler69 2y agoYou got banned for impersonation, not speech.
- triceratops 2y ago> for impersonation Of a cologne brand of some kind? "Elon's Musk" is very clearly not a person.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago"Joe's Rogan" is also not a person, but plenty of bots and scammers on social media use such celebrity names to obfuscate their accounts and scam people with crypto/erection pills, etc. You have to ban all of them to eliminate scammers as much as possible.
- triceratops 2y ago> use such celebrity names to obfuscate their accounts I thought free speech and sunlight were the best disinfectants. By leaving these accounts up and allowing other users to point out how they were misleading, everyone will learn and be wiser.
- logicchains 2y agoIt's an actual cologne one can buy: https://www.joketown.com/smell-rich https://www.joketown.com/smell-rich
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- LeafItAlone 2y agoAre you aware you are asking parent to “prove it” to the claims you don’t agree with, and then make similar claims in the opposite direction without “proving it”?
- Cumpiler69 2y agoPeople gave Elon a lot of shit over his comments on supporting H1B visas and those comments weren't banned or deleted. There's your proof.
- aSanchezStern 2y agoActually many people on the right believe they have been censored by Musk because of this: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/technology/elon-musk-far-right.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/technology/elon-musk-far-...
- timschmidt 2y agoI believe he's referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files
- jiriknesl 2y agoEasy, Reclaim The Net documents Twitter censorship for years. Here, you have dozens of links, pages and pages https://reclaimthenet.org/?s=twitter https://reclaimthenet.org/?s=twitter
- tzs 2y agoThe contention you are trying to challenge is that Twitter amplified right wing posts more than left wing posts in the pre-Musk days. Your link fails to support you. It is mostly just examples of alleged Twitter censorship, mostly of right wing-ish stuff. This has a couple of problems. First, the claim was about what Twitter amplified, not what it censored. It is quite possible to both amplify a given type of post more and censor that type of post more. It is possible that censorship might inversely correlate with amplification so that one can be used as an inverse proxy for the other, but that would require research because it is also possible they correlate rather than inverse correlate. Something amplified draws more readers, which could increase the likelihood that someone will notice any violations of the rules and report it. Second, even if we make the assumption of an inverse correlation between censorship and amplification to see how left and right amplification compares we would need to know how they picked which incidents to write stories about. Reclaim the Net does not provide any information on who funds it or who runs it, it is asking for donations but doesn't say what the donations are used for. The names listed on it don't show up in search except at RTN or on sites that are reprinting RTN stories. There is just not enough information available as far as I could find to tell what biases they have when selecting stories. The commenter you asked for proof cites a published paper in a peer reviewed open access journal that gives a detailed explanation of how it reached its conclusions. Its authors include several people who worked at Twitter and had access to its internal data.
- blactuary 2y agoBullshit. Try using the term cisgender on Twitter, regardless of context
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- vessenes 2y agoSorry, can you back this up with some data and specificity? I understand that you feel Musk is aligned with the far right; my question is what exactly is Musk doing with twitter, and (other than when people take the piss against him personally) how is he removing free speech that is not "far right"? I'm genuinely interested in the details -- and they are hard to come by.
- snotrockets 2y ago> you feel Musk is aligned with the far right It's not a feel, it's real (unless you're so far to the right yourself, you don't consider the AfD, neo-nazis, TERFs, etc etc such)
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- bowsamic 2y agoNo, why would it be? EDIT: the comment I’m replying to was edited at least 3 times since I posted this reply
- Cumpiler69 2y agoYou're not arguing in good faith and skirting the questions and logical answers.
- blactuary 2y agoNo. Even asking this question requires either bad faith or being in a coma for the last few years He has endorsed the neo-nazi party in Germany
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- 650REDHAIR 2y agoI was banned from Twitter within hours of Elon having control for changing my displayed name (not my handle) to "Elon's Musk" in a reply to something unhinged that he had tweeted. So much free speech.
- MrMcCall 2y agoThe easiest thing for a truly evil person to do is lie. They lie about being good, first and foremost. That most people are just a bunch of willfully ignorant rubes works very well for them, unfortunately.
- jack_riminton 2y agoSo you were banned for the new rules on imitation as opposed to free speech
- hmmm-i-wonder 2y agoThat sounds like satire not imitation to me.
- ColdTakes 2y agoThis is clearly not an imitation. Parody if nothing else which is protected by fair use.
- qqqult 2y agoThe imitation rule states that it's perfectly fine to run parody accounts as long as you clearly state that it's a parody. There are a ton of accounts named Elon Musk Parody, Biden Parody and similar Without it every post of a famous person was botted with 100 accounts with identical display name, pfp that tried to promote scams like with YouTube comments
- ColdTakes 2y agoThe user says they were banned within hours of Elon taking over Twitter. New Parody rules did not come into affect until November 2022.
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- jrm4 2y agoI wish, but to be Black in America is to witness this sort of cluelessness (despite prowess in other areas) ALL THE TIME. Domain specific knowledge is SO REAL. (Incidentally, this is roughly why I don't believe we will ever have so called "AGI")
- sangnoir 2y agoCalling this "cluelessness" is being more charitable that parent, and on the balance of evidence, mayn not be the correct explanation. If one were sceptical of this synchronized "political awakening" in the tech industry, that incidentally is aligned to an incoming presidential administration, one might call it some sort of gratuitous signaling of virtues. Which is hilariously ironic, and shows either a lack of self-awareness, or profound levels of shamelessness.
- logicchains 2y agoMusk recently de-verified or banned a bunch of far-right accounts that were posting anti-H1B content. Musk isn't far right, he's just looking after his business interests.
- aSanchezStern 2y agoWell like any political descriptor, "far right" is a generalization that applies to several groups. In this case, Elon is part of the corporate-techno-authoritarian far right that supported trump, while figures like Loomer who were posting the anti-H1B content are part of the white-nationalist/christian-nationalist far right (that also supported trump).
- p4bl0 2y agoMusk literally supports the far right in elections all over the world. In the past few days he intervened in Germany in favor of the far right candidate. See https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-doubles-down-on-support-for-german-far-right-leader_6736883_143.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-dou...
- spinach 2y agoPeople who lean left are choosing to leave. Greg Lukianoff of FIRE, a free speech defender said Musk made twitter better for free speech (on balance): https://youtu.be/Er1glEAQhAo?si=2aWdSIsbKzjz0nGA&t=2853 https://youtu.be/Er1glEAQhAo?si=2aWdSIsbKzjz0nGA&t=2853
- jadbox 2y agoThis feels like another VC/executive "taking a knee" towards the new administration, a vivid trend in the last few weeks. I feel like pg was particularly more left/right neutral just up until this month of inauguration.
- normalaccess 2y agoIt’s interesting to see how polarizing views about Musk have become. People often overlook the fact that Musk was, and in many ways still is, aligned with traditional liberal values. He’s been a long-time supporter of initiatives like universal basic income, environmental sustainability through the green movement ect... Yet, the moment he expresses support for ideas that deviate from the more extreme edges of left-wing ideology, he’s vilified and treated as a pariah by those who once championed him. Regarding X, I still see plenty of left-leaning content, but the dynamic has undoubtedly shifted. What’s changed is that the platform no longer artificially amplifies one ideological perspective at the expense of others. Previously, algorithms seemed to prioritize content aligned with extreme left narratives while outright blocking opposing views. That system gave the impression of a dominant left-leaning consensus, that was entirely artificial. At the end of the day, it's impossible to remove all bias so whatever system maximizes free speech is the best one.
- p4bl0 2y agoWhat are you saying? Musk is literally and openly supporting the far right neo-nazi party in Germany these days. See: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-doubles-down-on-support-for-german-far-right-leader_6736883_143.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/europe/article/2025/01/10/musk-dou... Also, it's just not true that "Previously, algorithms seemed to prioritize content aligned with extreme left narratives while outright blocking opposing views". It's a lie. Twitter's research itself revealed their algorithm favored right wing politics even before Musk. And it became a lot more true since he took power. See: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119
- normalaccess 2y agoWhile at the same time our tax dollars are supporting literal Nazis in the Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade