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The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and ter

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twitter or x version.

unpopularopp 2y ago
>The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber Yeah but it's a left wing echo chamber and that's good! /s Incognito window > bsky > discovery feed > every post is about US politics, Trump bad, rich people bad, Musk bad etc. Same shit just different colors Bsky is not the answer, the only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.
- EA-3167 2y ago
  I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber, it's just that the first people to jump ship from Twitter were by and large, on the left of the US political spectrum. If Bsky ends up with hundreds of millions of people on it then it won't be any sort of echo chamber. For now it's very much dominated by Twitter ex-pats, and that gives it a pretty predictable slant. Unlike Twitter however this isn't being imposed by the owner, it's organic.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    You aren't wrong, but I'd add that it's also just the never-ending grievance-politics of the reactionary right. Spaces that have them but don't amplify their voices enough are censoring conservatives. Spaces where people can moderate what they get who then opt out of it are censoring conservatives. Endless victim posturing about how silenced all these people are who paradoxically also never shut the fuck up. They love the notion of the marketplace of ideas until said marketplace tells them to kick rocks and then it's crocodile tears.
    - EA-3167 2y ago
      I understand intellectually that employing a double-standard can work in the context of populism, but like you I find it absolutely exhausting. People who's party and ideology control every branch of government still pretend that they're plucky, marginalized freedom fighters. Sigh
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber Bsky lacks (1) ads, (2) paying posters rewarded with promoted reach, and (3) a default algorithmic feed (Discover is algorithmic and exists, but the default feed unless unpinned is always Following.) It also has shareable feeds, as well as the default pinned feeds. Each of these individually makes most users experience of Bluesky a lot more seeing what they choose to see than seeing what the site owner has a financial or other interest in everyone seeing, which in a sense makes it more likely to be a personal echo chamber rather than a single echo chamber or the mythical perfectly unbiased online marketplace of ideas. OTOH, it also got a lot of users specifically in reaction to negative feelings about the central ideological direction perceived at X, which may make it on average more left-wing by comparison, if very much not uniformly left-wing or having any fundamental trait tending toward remaining even relatively left-wing.
- itsdrewmiller 2y ago
  I just checked this myself and it isn't accurate. The first post was trump, the second was rich people, the third was pigeons, fourth was about bluesky, fifth cheese puns, sixth ken jennings on shirts, seventh cats/maybe wildfires, eighth work really do be like that, ninth us politics, 10th john woo movies.
- suzzer99 2y ago
  There's also 99.99% less bots on bluesky at the moment. I can live with actual good-faith discourse. But twitter right now is a cesspool of political bots, outrageous take engagement farming, and toxic personal attacks. Obviously, this is going to be a problem with any site that becomes the town square, just like how Yelp and TripAdvisor eventually became so gamed as to be mostly useless. The question to me is can bluesky rise to the level of being useful w/o succumbing to the pitfalls that come with being ubiquitous.
- gedpeck 2y ago
  Same shit just different colors I think though that Trump truly is worse. If you made this comment in 2008 or 2012 and used Trump or McCain I’d say you are right. But what happens when a person truly is a vile disgusting human being? Then it no longer becomes the same shit. As an extreme example, Kerensky wasn’t as bad as the Bolsheviks. It wasn’t the same shit.
- evantbyrne 2y ago
  God forbid people have standards of basic human decency. "Trump bad" posts being popular on a website is a world of a difference from a rich guy buying another platform with the specific goal of bringing back literal nazis, as proven in released court documents, doing it, and then going above and beyond by posting that kind of content himself.
- rvz 2y ago
  > The only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too. That is the only correct answer. To essentially delete all your social media accounts. If one wants to stop their alcohol addiction for example (Using Facebook, X), is not done by switching the brand of alcohol (Threads, Bluesky). It is done by stopping altogether (by deleting all your accounts) and only you can do that.
r00fus 2y ago
This will eventually shift. There is legitimately very little reason to use X unless you're a Musk-stan. Case in point: I started using twitter regularly during the CA fires & blackouts in 2017. I was amazed at how quickly I could get a read on a situation and actual on the ground facts at near real-time speed. For the Palisades fire, I'm struggling to make X nearly as useful as it was. There is a lot of random diatribe and speculation but on-the-ground facts just don't appear. The juice is gone.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  >unless you're a Musk-stan what's a -stan? do you mean like kazakhstan?
  - some_furry 2y ago
    Stalker/fan = stan
  - cyberge99 2y ago
    STalker / fAN. I think it’s attributable to the Eminem son Stan about a stalker. Likely even predates that.
    - evanelias 2y ago
      It definitely doesn't predate the song, at least by my memory. (and fwiw, Wikipedia, Know Your Meme, Urban Dictionary, and Oxford English Dictionary all credit the song and have no references prior to that.)
- brailsafe 2y ago
  Is there a personal reason you have to keep with it at all at that level? Not doubting you do, but I feel like people are generally addicted to keeping up with shit that affects their emotions and really doesn't need to.
  - suzzer99 2y ago
thrance 2y ago
X is already a far right echo chamber, if you create a new account and navigate to the "for you" page, all you see is Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and other far right "role models". It's unfortunate that X still retains a greater reach than its alternatives, but that can change in the medium term.
- xiphias2 2y ago
  Then just don't navigate to For You. I wish I could just see my friends on Facebook (those are the people I care about), but I can't turn off crappy suggestions. With X I can control my own feed by using the followers tab.
  - suzzer99 2y ago
    This. Never ever go to For You on twitter.
  - Timshel 2y ago
    Many would not open an account on truth social, since Twitter/X is turning into it seems logical to encourage/help people leaving.
  - freitasm 2y ago
    On that note, Facebook suggestions are 3:1 or 4:1 in relation to my friends. The reason I only visit FB once a month to check for messages from some people who still use Messenger.
  - noio 2y ago
    My “For You” used to show me cool gamedev stuff from people I didn’t know. There was a part of the suggestions that I liked! The algorithm was working for me! Now it’s 100% pure toxic outrage bait.
  - thrance 2y ago
    The For You page is just an example, Musk appears everywhere on the platform, watch a video, swipe it and a video of Musk (totally unrelated) pops up. X is basically a right-wing propaganda machine now, which is one of the reasons I don't use it.
rsynnott 2y ago
> The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. How's that? Bluesky, say, has a fair bit of diverse opinion. It's low on the far-right (though there are certainly some; I subscribe to a few blocklists to filter their nonsense out), which has a bit of a personal affinity for Musk, but to an extent, y'know, who needs 'em? Like, it is not the case that there exist two opinions, far-right lunacy and everything else; the non-far-right segment contains multitudes.
asveikau 2y ago
Twitter is already, and increasingly so, an echo chamber of the type of people who want to stay on Twitter. From that vantage point it is the conscious decision to stay on the network during an exodus that creates an echo chamber. Something similar happened with facebook. The people who are still on facebook in 2025 are having a pretty different conversation than occurs in some other places.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  It's still way more diverse than any other platform. Blue sky is still mostly a "tech bro" related, western tech circles centric platform. You absolutely do not get even close to the variety and diversity that X has.

unpopularopp 2y ago

>The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber Yeah but it's a left wing echo chamber and that's good! /s Incognito window > bsky > discovery feed > every post is about US politics, Trump bad, rich people bad, Musk bad etc. Same shit just different colors Bsky is not the answer, the only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.

EA-3167 2y ago
I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber, it's just that the first people to jump ship from Twitter were by and large, on the left of the US political spectrum. If Bsky ends up with hundreds of millions of people on it then it won't be any sort of echo chamber. For now it's very much dominated by Twitter ex-pats, and that gives it a pretty predictable slant. Unlike Twitter however this isn't being imposed by the owner, it's organic.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  You aren't wrong, but I'd add that it's also just the never-ending grievance-politics of the reactionary right. Spaces that have them but don't amplify their voices enough are censoring conservatives. Spaces where people can moderate what they get who then opt out of it are censoring conservatives. Endless victim posturing about how silenced all these people are who paradoxically also never shut the fuck up. They love the notion of the marketplace of ideas until said marketplace tells them to kick rocks and then it's crocodile tears.
  - EA-3167 2y ago
    I understand intellectually that employing a double-standard can work in the context of populism, but like you I find it absolutely exhausting. People who's party and ideology control every branch of government still pretend that they're plucky, marginalized freedom fighters. Sigh
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber Bsky lacks (1) ads, (2) paying posters rewarded with promoted reach, and (3) a default algorithmic feed (Discover is algorithmic and exists, but the default feed unless unpinned is always Following.) It also has shareable feeds, as well as the default pinned feeds. Each of these individually makes most users experience of Bluesky a lot more seeing what they choose to see than seeing what the site owner has a financial or other interest in everyone seeing, which in a sense makes it more likely to be a personal echo chamber rather than a single echo chamber or the mythical perfectly unbiased online marketplace of ideas. OTOH, it also got a lot of users specifically in reaction to negative feelings about the central ideological direction perceived at X, which may make it on average more left-wing by comparison, if very much not uniformly left-wing or having any fundamental trait tending toward remaining even relatively left-wing.
itsdrewmiller 2y ago
I just checked this myself and it isn't accurate. The first post was trump, the second was rich people, the third was pigeons, fourth was about bluesky, fifth cheese puns, sixth ken jennings on shirts, seventh cats/maybe wildfires, eighth work really do be like that, ninth us politics, 10th john woo movies.
suzzer99 2y ago
There's also 99.99% less bots on bluesky at the moment. I can live with actual good-faith discourse. But twitter right now is a cesspool of political bots, outrageous take engagement farming, and toxic personal attacks. Obviously, this is going to be a problem with any site that becomes the town square, just like how Yelp and TripAdvisor eventually became so gamed as to be mostly useless. The question to me is can bluesky rise to the level of being useful w/o succumbing to the pitfalls that come with being ubiquitous.
gedpeck 2y ago
Same shit just different colors I think though that Trump truly is worse. If you made this comment in 2008 or 2012 and used Trump or McCain I’d say you are right. But what happens when a person truly is a vile disgusting human being? Then it no longer becomes the same shit. As an extreme example, Kerensky wasn’t as bad as the Bolsheviks. It wasn’t the same shit.
evantbyrne 2y ago
God forbid people have standards of basic human decency. "Trump bad" posts being popular on a website is a world of a difference from a rich guy buying another platform with the specific goal of bringing back literal nazis, as proven in released court documents, doing it, and then going above and beyond by posting that kind of content himself.
rvz 2y ago
> The only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too. That is the only correct answer. To essentially delete all your social media accounts. If one wants to stop their alcohol addiction for example (Using Facebook, X), is not done by switching the brand of alcohol (Threads, Bluesky). It is done by stopping altogether (by deleting all your accounts) and only you can do that.

r00fus 2y ago

This will eventually shift. There is legitimately very little reason to use X unless you're a Musk-stan. Case in point: I started using twitter regularly during the CA fires & blackouts in 2017. I was amazed at how quickly I could get a read on a situation and actual on the ground facts at near real-time speed. For the Palisades fire, I'm struggling to make X nearly as useful as it was. There is a lot of random diatribe and speculation but on-the-ground facts just don't appear. The juice is gone.

fsckboy 2y ago
>unless you're a Musk-stan what's a -stan? do you mean like kazakhstan?
- some_furry 2y ago
  Stalker/fan = stan
- cyberge99 2y ago
  STalker / fAN. I think it’s attributable to the Eminem son Stan about a stalker. Likely even predates that.
  - evanelias 2y ago
    It definitely doesn't predate the song, at least by my memory. (and fwiw, Wikipedia, Know Your Meme, Urban Dictionary, and Oxford English Dictionary all credit the song and have no references prior to that.)
brailsafe 2y ago
Is there a personal reason you have to keep with it at all at that level? Not doubting you do, but I feel like people are generally addicted to keeping up with shit that affects their emotions and really doesn't need to.
- suzzer99 2y ago

thrance 2y ago

X is already a far right echo chamber, if you create a new account and navigate to the "for you" page, all you see is Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and other far right "role models". It's unfortunate that X still retains a greater reach than its alternatives, but that can change in the medium term.

xiphias2 2y ago
Then just don't navigate to For You. I wish I could just see my friends on Facebook (those are the people I care about), but I can't turn off crappy suggestions. With X I can control my own feed by using the followers tab.
- suzzer99 2y ago
  This. Never ever go to For You on twitter.
- Timshel 2y ago
  Many would not open an account on truth social, since Twitter/X is turning into it seems logical to encourage/help people leaving.
- freitasm 2y ago
  On that note, Facebook suggestions are 3:1 or 4:1 in relation to my friends. The reason I only visit FB once a month to check for messages from some people who still use Messenger.
- noio 2y ago
  My “For You” used to show me cool gamedev stuff from people I didn’t know. There was a part of the suggestions that I liked! The algorithm was working for me! Now it’s 100% pure toxic outrage bait.
- thrance 2y ago
  The For You page is just an example, Musk appears everywhere on the platform, watch a video, swipe it and a video of Musk (totally unrelated) pops up. X is basically a right-wing propaganda machine now, which is one of the reasons I don't use it.

rsynnott 2y ago

> The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. How's that? Bluesky, say, has a fair bit of diverse opinion. It's low on the far-right (though there are certainly some; I subscribe to a few blocklists to filter their nonsense out), which has a bit of a personal affinity for Musk, but to an extent, y'know, who needs 'em? Like, it is not the case that there exist two opinions, far-right lunacy and everything else; the non-far-right segment contains multitudes.

asveikau 2y ago

Twitter is already, and increasingly so, an echo chamber of the type of people who want to stay on Twitter. From that vantage point it is the conscious decision to stay on the network during an exodus that creates an echo chamber. Something similar happened with facebook. The people who are still on facebook in 2025 are having a pretty different conversation than occurs in some other places.

mardifoufs 2y ago
It's still way more diverse than any other platform. Blue sky is still mostly a "tech bro" related, western tech circles centric platform. You absolutely do not get even close to the variety and diversity that X has.