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The article is seemingly outdated. The cheapest one I could find in the store was 29 USD. In Euros, it’s 36.37. And of course, you still have to pay for shippin

by latexr 2y ago

The article is seemingly outdated. The cheapest one I could find in the store was 29 USD. In Euros, it’s 36.37. And of course, you still have to pay for shipping. From Korea. This seems quite absurd. Whatever good you do the planet by using something out of recycled paper (thumbs up on the idea) will surely be offset by all the logistics of the shipping. This should have been a tutorial, not a product.

kevingadd 2y ago
All the embellishments on it seem like they probably involved operating imprinting machines or printing ink onto the paper, too.
harrison_clarke 2y ago
it also seems like a very small savings. the thing sitting on top of it is full of lithium, cobalt, etc. so why should i care if it's sitting on a bit of plastic/aluminum/wood? that said, a tutorial to turn the shipping box for your laptop (or a flat of diet coke) into a stand would be good. useful in a pinch edit: keyboard box might be the best box to print the fold lines on. you need that for a minimally ergo laptop setup anyway
- K0balt 2y ago
  For 20 dollars I can buy an aluminium and stainless steel laptop stand that adjusts from a thin wedge up to holding my screen a nearly eye height. It will outlast me, and folds into a smaller size that fits nicely in my laptop bag. Laptops will probably go away, but it could be handed down for generations, and when it no longer can be used, the majority of the energy and resources used to make it can be recouped through recycling it’s intrinsically valuable metals. This 20 dollar piece of paper will last until the first month in a humid environment. This should be a tutorial on how to reuse discarded material into an improvised, impromptu laptop stand. If I saw someone pull this out of a box and put their laptop on it, they would lose a great deal of credibility in my estimation. If I saw someone make this out of some waste paper in a coffee shop, I would be intrigued and compelled to seek an opportunity to see if that person was open to making new acquaintances and sharing ideas.
bko 2y ago
I often see "recycled" or similar as a signal for more expensive. My favorite was when I saw a jam that touted "upcycled" strawberries. When I looked into it, it basically meant that it was made from beat up ugly strawberries that would have been used for animal feed. Surely there would be cost savings in using reject fruit, right? No, an 8oz jar retails for over $8 compared to about half that to an organic no sugar added alternative (I think its cheaper since I last looked though) They even get certified that they use the most undesirable fruit that they can find! https://mleverything.substack.com/p/what-are-upcycled-strawberries-anyway https://mleverything.substack.com/p/what-are-upcycled-strawb...
- snowfarthing 2y ago
  I find this particular notion to be rather weird. I cannot see how it's a "waste" if something's fed to animals instead of humans!
  - snailmailstare 2y ago
    It is a horrible waste to produce any strawberries from an environmental perspective compared to the least sensitive feed crops so feeding them to animals is more of a better than nothing while getting someone out of the market for the grades of strawberries that drive production is not. But any mediocre quality strawberry jam probably does that.
  - HPsquared 2y ago
    Opportunity cost, mostly.
  - latexr 2y ago
    Despite the quotes, the person you’re replying to didn’t use the word “waste” nor have they claimed using that fruit to feed animals would be bad. In short, they didn’t make the argument you’re against. However, in the interest of good faith discussion, I’ll offer a rebuttal to the argument you are making. The logic applies when (and this is very important) that food goes to farm animals which will be slaughtered of humans to eat. “Waste” isn’t really the right word, more like “inefficient”, in the sense that the amount of food which takes for an animal to mature is orders of magnitude greater than what you take from it. In other words, you could feed significantly more people if they ate what you’re feeding the animal. When you couple that with the environmental impact of raising animals as food, including deforestation and land use, which in turn affects us as well, it becomes a major issue.
blharr 2y ago
I mean, it's a good idea, I just wouldn't buy the one in Korea to get shipped over here. I don't get the cynicism, someone in Korea had this idea and made the product, probably intended for other people in Korea where the shipping isn't an issue?
- latexr 2y ago
  > probably intended for other people in Korea The seller is called “grape lab”, with a “g” as the logo, and “Sustainable Design Lab” as the tagline. Everything in English. How is that “intended for other people in Korea”?
  - lupire 2y ago
    It's origami, so making it in USA wouldn't fit our racist ideas about what makes a folded-paper design valuable. USA folded paper is cheap cardboard. Asian folded paper is origami.
andrewflnr 2y ago
> This should have been a tutorial, not a product. I love this. More tutorials, fewer products.
tonijn 2y ago
Last time I checked 1 usd = 1 eur
forinti 2y ago
> This should have been a tutorial, not a product. It doesn't seem too difficult to make something similar.
p_j_w 2y ago
>Whatever good you do the planet by using something out of recycled paper (thumbs up on the idea) will surely be offset by all the logistics of the shipping. The plastic laptop stand you by probably also had to be shipped halfway around the world, so this one is probably a wash.
eleveriven 2y ago
Maybe a hybrid approach (like adding a tutorial) can be valid. Because not everyone has the time to make their own laptop stand

by latexr 2y ago

kevingadd 2y ago

All the embellishments on it seem like they probably involved operating imprinting machines or printing ink onto the paper, too.

harrison_clarke 2y ago

it also seems like a very small savings. the thing sitting on top of it is full of lithium, cobalt, etc. so why should i care if it's sitting on a bit of plastic/aluminum/wood? that said, a tutorial to turn the shipping box for your laptop (or a flat of diet coke) into a stand would be good. useful in a pinch edit: keyboard box might be the best box to print the fold lines on. you need that for a minimally ergo laptop setup anyway

K0balt 2y ago
For 20 dollars I can buy an aluminium and stainless steel laptop stand that adjusts from a thin wedge up to holding my screen a nearly eye height. It will outlast me, and folds into a smaller size that fits nicely in my laptop bag. Laptops will probably go away, but it could be handed down for generations, and when it no longer can be used, the majority of the energy and resources used to make it can be recouped through recycling it’s intrinsically valuable metals. This 20 dollar piece of paper will last until the first month in a humid environment. This should be a tutorial on how to reuse discarded material into an improvised, impromptu laptop stand. If I saw someone pull this out of a box and put their laptop on it, they would lose a great deal of credibility in my estimation. If I saw someone make this out of some waste paper in a coffee shop, I would be intrigued and compelled to seek an opportunity to see if that person was open to making new acquaintances and sharing ideas.

bko 2y ago

I often see "recycled" or similar as a signal for more expensive. My favorite was when I saw a jam that touted "upcycled" strawberries. When I looked into it, it basically meant that it was made from beat up ugly strawberries that would have been used for animal feed. Surely there would be cost savings in using reject fruit, right? No, an 8oz jar retails for over $8 compared to about half that to an organic no sugar added alternative (I think its cheaper since I last looked though) They even get certified that they use the most undesirable fruit that they can find! https://mleverything.substack.com/p/what-are-upcycled-strawberries-anyway https://mleverything.substack.com/p/what-are-upcycled-strawb...

snowfarthing 2y ago
I find this particular notion to be rather weird. I cannot see how it's a "waste" if something's fed to animals instead of humans!
- snailmailstare 2y ago
  It is a horrible waste to produce any strawberries from an environmental perspective compared to the least sensitive feed crops so feeding them to animals is more of a better than nothing while getting someone out of the market for the grades of strawberries that drive production is not. But any mediocre quality strawberry jam probably does that.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  Opportunity cost, mostly.
- latexr 2y ago
  Despite the quotes, the person you’re replying to didn’t use the word “waste” nor have they claimed using that fruit to feed animals would be bad. In short, they didn’t make the argument you’re against. However, in the interest of good faith discussion, I’ll offer a rebuttal to the argument you are making. The logic applies when (and this is very important) that food goes to farm animals which will be slaughtered of humans to eat. “Waste” isn’t really the right word, more like “inefficient”, in the sense that the amount of food which takes for an animal to mature is orders of magnitude greater than what you take from it. In other words, you could feed significantly more people if they ate what you’re feeding the animal. When you couple that with the environmental impact of raising animals as food, including deforestation and land use, which in turn affects us as well, it becomes a major issue.

blharr 2y ago

I mean, it's a good idea, I just wouldn't buy the one in Korea to get shipped over here. I don't get the cynicism, someone in Korea had this idea and made the product, probably intended for other people in Korea where the shipping isn't an issue?

latexr 2y ago
> probably intended for other people in Korea The seller is called “grape lab”, with a “g” as the logo, and “Sustainable Design Lab” as the tagline. Everything in English. How is that “intended for other people in Korea”?
- lupire 2y ago
  It's origami, so making it in USA wouldn't fit our racist ideas about what makes a folded-paper design valuable. USA folded paper is cheap cardboard. Asian folded paper is origami.

andrewflnr 2y ago

> This should have been a tutorial, not a product. I love this. More tutorials, fewer products.

tonijn 2y ago

Last time I checked 1 usd = 1 eur

forinti 2y ago

> This should have been a tutorial, not a product. It doesn't seem too difficult to make something similar.

p_j_w 2y ago

>Whatever good you do the planet by using something out of recycled paper (thumbs up on the idea) will surely be offset by all the logistics of the shipping. The plastic laptop stand you by probably also had to be shipped halfway around the world, so this one is probably a wash.

eleveriven 2y ago

Maybe a hybrid approach (like adding a tutorial) can be valid. Because not everyone has the time to make their own laptop stand