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Say what you will about MS, but compared to Apple, Google, Oracle, or most other software companies, MS treats it's developers like gods. I can not think of an

by crag 14y ago

Say what you will about MS, but compared to Apple, Google, Oracle, or most other software companies, MS treats it's developers like gods. I can not think of any other company that pays so much attention to it's developer community. I know, many around here may not have experience with as an MSDN member, but I do. And trust me, having to deal with the likes of Apple AND Google, I miss MS' developer programs terribly.

muhfuhkuh 14y ago
And, yet, you seem to be talking about developing for them in the past tense. There's a reason why Apple and Google are dominant now, and it's not just marketing, luck and timing. They've built fertile marketplaces that (especially) independent developers can leverage to create cottage industries if not empires, instead of simply make a living doing VBA and VC++ CRUD applications. Oh, XNA and C# may be truly saner to handle than Cocoa and Java, but who truly gives a damn when you can't keep the lights on with your .exe file on Windows.
st3fan 14y ago
You mean like in this article? http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-fire-for-five-figure-xbox-360-patch-fee/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-...
- crag 14y ago
  An unusual example. But noted. Want me to link to the "thousands" of disgruntled articles about Apple's or Oracles' developer relations? I left out Google, cause they do a hell of a better job in that department than Apple does. Look I know I'm bashing Apple and Oracle. Cause right now, those are the platforms what I'm working in. But I've been an Apple fan boy for years. Ever since my first Power Macintosh (back in the day). And Apple has never had good relations with it's developers. But today it's the worse I've ever seen. But not like most of have a choice. We write for where the masses are. And right now, Apple is everywhere and in my case, Oracle too. I just wish, sometimes they'd (Apple mostly) remember what it was like when they were starving. ;)
marshray 14y ago
> MS treats it's developers like gods. Not anymore they don't. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/u3pqj/microsoft_pulling_free_development_tools_for/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/u3pqj/microsoft... http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/v3vi8/targeting_windows_xp_with_c_in_visual_studio_2012/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/v3vi8/targeting... http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-quietly-cuts-number-of-product-keys-available-to-technet-subscribers/7472 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-quietly-cuts-n... http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-fire-for-five-figure-xbox-360-patch-fee/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-...

by crag 14y ago

muhfuhkuh 14y ago

And, yet, you seem to be talking about developing for them in the past tense. There's a reason why Apple and Google are dominant now, and it's not just marketing, luck and timing. They've built fertile marketplaces that (especially) independent developers can leverage to create cottage industries if not empires, instead of simply make a living doing VBA and VC++ CRUD applications. Oh, XNA and C# may be truly saner to handle than Cocoa and Java, but who truly gives a damn when you can't keep the lights on with your .exe file on Windows.

st3fan 14y ago

You mean like in this article? http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-fire-for-five-figure-xbox-360-patch-fee/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-...

crag 14y ago
An unusual example. But noted. Want me to link to the "thousands" of disgruntled articles about Apple's or Oracles' developer relations? I left out Google, cause they do a hell of a better job in that department than Apple does. Look I know I'm bashing Apple and Oracle. Cause right now, those are the platforms what I'm working in. But I've been an Apple fan boy for years. Ever since my first Power Macintosh (back in the day). And Apple has never had good relations with it's developers. But today it's the worse I've ever seen. But not like most of have a choice. We write for where the masses are. And right now, Apple is everywhere and in my case, Oracle too. I just wish, sometimes they'd (Apple mostly) remember what it was like when they were starving. ;)

marshray 14y ago

> MS treats it's developers like gods. Not anymore they don't. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/u3pqj/microsoft_pulling_free_development_tools_for/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/u3pqj/microsoft... http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/v3vi8/targeting_windows_xp_with_c_in_visual_studio_2012/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/v3vi8/targeting... http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-quietly-cuts-number-of-product-keys-available-to-technet-subscribers/7472 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-quietly-cuts-n... http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-fire-for-five-figure-xbox-360-patch-fee/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/07/microsoft-comes-under-...