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Yeah, that's what they all say. Tinder and Spotify were both named specifically and both denied it. I don't trust any of them so I'm assuming they're lying, you

by pluc 2y ago

Yeah, that's what they all say. Tinder and Spotify were both named specifically and both denied it. I don't trust any of them so I'm assuming they're lying, you do what you want.

gruez 2y ago
Why do you trust an unverified "leak" over statements made by multi-billion dollar multinationals? Sure, corporations can lie, but so can such leaks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If the leak is alleging something impossible (ie. stealing location data despite not having location permissions in manifest), then I'd need far more evidence than some csv list.
- blitzar 2y ago
  Trust me, I wouldn’t lie to you for a billion dollars. I might have been caught lying before about these things but this time it’s different.
- imchillyb 2y ago
  Not OP, but… I trust a leak from someone with no financial gain from the leak. I do not trust multi nationals worth several million, billion, trillion, to state truth. I expect them to lie until caught by a federal entity and fined. Guess how many times multi nationals lied to the public last year alone. Now you answer: “Why do you put any trust in what statements a corp releases?!”
  - gruez 2y ago
    >I trust a leak from someone with no financial gain from the leak. >I do not trust multi nationals worth several million, billion, trillion, to state truth. I expect them to lie until caught by a federal entity and fined. >Guess how many times multi nationals lied to the public last year alone. And what about the leak itself? "You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?" Here's an anonymous "leak" I found that says whatsapp is backdoored and sends your chats to the CCP: https://pastebin.com/uE4m694M https://pastebin.com/uE4m694M . Are you going to believe it? If asked for comment, Meta is probably going to deny it, but obviously they're going to be lying for the reasons you mentioned. >Now you answer: “Why do you put any trust in what statements a corp releases?!” "Trust" isn't binary, it's a spectrum. I don't put much trust in corp releases, but I still trust them far more than an unverified source. Even if you put zero weight on "statements a corp releases", you can inspect the AOSP source code yourself and see that it shouldn't be possible for apps to steal your location data when it doesn't have location permissions, and therefore a list claiming that such apps are stealing your location data should be treated with extreme skepticism.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  > Why do you trust an unverified "leak" over statements made by multi-billion dollar multinationals? Less incentives to lie. Edit: I had a think, and what I picked up on was the idea that sheer concentration of money might stand in as a signal for trust, and so whether somone with more money would naturally be more honest or dishonest than someone with less, is really more of an interesting question.
braiamp 2y ago
Is not whenever they deny it or not, your device can attest to it. Both Google and Apple have no qualms screwing up with third parties in their apps. Also, apps have been datamined up the wazoo, if a company claims not to do something and does it, someone would have already howled about it.

by pluc 2y ago

Yeah, that's what they all say. Tinder and Spotify were both named specifically and both denied it. I don't trust any of them so I'm assuming they're lying, you do what you want.

gruez 2y ago

Why do you trust an unverified "leak" over statements made by multi-billion dollar multinationals? Sure, corporations can lie, but so can such leaks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If the leak is alleging something impossible (ie. stealing location data despite not having location permissions in manifest), then I'd need far more evidence than some csv list.

blitzar 2y ago
Trust me, I wouldn’t lie to you for a billion dollars. I might have been caught lying before about these things but this time it’s different.
imchillyb 2y ago
Not OP, but… I trust a leak from someone with no financial gain from the leak. I do not trust multi nationals worth several million, billion, trillion, to state truth. I expect them to lie until caught by a federal entity and fined. Guess how many times multi nationals lied to the public last year alone. Now you answer: “Why do you put any trust in what statements a corp releases?!”
- gruez 2y ago
  >I trust a leak from someone with no financial gain from the leak. >I do not trust multi nationals worth several million, billion, trillion, to state truth. I expect them to lie until caught by a federal entity and fined. >Guess how many times multi nationals lied to the public last year alone. And what about the leak itself? "You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?" Here's an anonymous "leak" I found that says whatsapp is backdoored and sends your chats to the CCP: https://pastebin.com/uE4m694M https://pastebin.com/uE4m694M . Are you going to believe it? If asked for comment, Meta is probably going to deny it, but obviously they're going to be lying for the reasons you mentioned. >Now you answer: “Why do you put any trust in what statements a corp releases?!” "Trust" isn't binary, it's a spectrum. I don't put much trust in corp releases, but I still trust them far more than an unverified source. Even if you put zero weight on "statements a corp releases", you can inspect the AOSP source code yourself and see that it shouldn't be possible for apps to steal your location data when it doesn't have location permissions, and therefore a list claiming that such apps are stealing your location data should be treated with extreme skepticism.
nonrandomstring 2y ago
> Why do you trust an unverified "leak" over statements made by multi-billion dollar multinationals? Less incentives to lie. Edit: I had a think, and what I picked up on was the idea that sheer concentration of money might stand in as a signal for trust, and so whether somone with more money would naturally be more honest or dishonest than someone with less, is really more of an interesting question.

braiamp 2y ago

Is not whenever they deny it or not, your device can attest to it. Both Google and Apple have no qualms screwing up with third parties in their apps. Also, apps have been datamined up the wazoo, if a company claims not to do something and does it, someone would have already howled about it.