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The climate hype will end inevitably. Only if warming becomes a real problem, people will start looking at (technical) solutions. As long as we can "fight" cli

The climate hype will end inevitably. Only if warming becomes a real problem, people will start looking at (technical) solutions. As long as we can "fight" climate by taxing, subventions, greenwashing, bans, restrictions, everything will be fine for the "people of power". Like "war on terror", child pornography and pandemics, climate change is just another vehicle for global elites to gain more power, influence and wealth.

baggachipz 2y ago
If you're unwilling to accept the science of this, get off your computer. Don't drive your car, or heat your house this winter. The same scientific processes which led to all of society's advancement are utilized in predicting the consequences of climate change. There is no conspiracy.
- miroljub 2y ago
  Climate has always been changing. Even before humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles still holds, and explains quite a bit, though recent research added a few more factors, none of them human related. There's no conspiracy, you just seem to believe more to the "TV approved" science.
  - baggachipz 2y ago
    You're alleging that there's "TV approved science", in which you're absolutely declaring a conspiracy that the "TV people" are colluding to distort the "facts". I'd ask you to explain this[1], but you're arguing in bad faith to conform to your world view. [1] https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dynamicimage/assets/science/esd/climate/internal_resources/2679/co2-graph-072623.jpg https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dynamicimage/assets/science/... Again, if you're unwilling to accept the findings of the organization responsible for a great many of society's technical advancements, then you're merely trolling.
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
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    - polotics 2y ago
      Please AtlasBarfed with such a leet pseudo don't let yourself get trolled down into this kind of statement!
  - Toutouxc 2y ago
    Which bit exactly do Milankovitch cycles explain? Isn't the current orbital configuration such that the earth should be slowly cooling? Do you have any sources for what you're saying?
  - roelschroeven 2y ago
    Do you have any idea how fast current global warming is compared to historical changes? Go to https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/ and scroll all the way down. That should give some perspective on that. Do you have any idea how much more devastating current global warming is in our civilization of 8 billion people, all interconnected socioeconomically? Or are you trying to say that global warming isn't human related? In that case, are you (a) willfully ignorant or (b) arguing in bad faith?
    - baggachipz 2y ago
      It should also be noted that that comic was published 8 years ago. We're now at +1.5c, which means we're actually doing worse than his "current path" line from back then.
- Over2Chars 2y ago
  I think advanced climate models aren't the place of contention is this debate, but the interpretation of those models, and the conclusion as to who has to do what, and when.
conartist6 2y ago
Being a real change happening in the world, it could also be a chance for YOU to join the powerful and wealthy if you can adapt to the new reality while other people are stuck in the old one. But I suspect your logic is circular, because people who gain money and power through canny anticipation of change will just get lumped into your category of "global elites" confirming what you already believe.
captainbland 2y ago
As it goes, it seems that action against climate change measures is also being used as a vehicle for global elites to gain more power, influence and wealth. Honestly those billionaires will grasp onto anything. If we have any technical geo engineering type solutions, I hope we try it on another planet first. Although we might find it hard to find something suitably equivalent.

baggachipz 2y ago

If you're unwilling to accept the science of this, get off your computer. Don't drive your car, or heat your house this winter. The same scientific processes which led to all of society's advancement are utilized in predicting the consequences of climate change. There is no conspiracy.

miroljub 2y ago
Climate has always been changing. Even before humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles still holds, and explains quite a bit, though recent research added a few more factors, none of them human related. There's no conspiracy, you just seem to believe more to the "TV approved" science.
- baggachipz 2y ago
  You're alleging that there's "TV approved science", in which you're absolutely declaring a conspiracy that the "TV people" are colluding to distort the "facts". I'd ask you to explain this[1], but you're arguing in bad faith to conform to your world view. [1] https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dynamicimage/assets/science/esd/climate/internal_resources/2679/co2-graph-072623.jpg https://assets.science.nasa.gov/dynamicimage/assets/science/... Again, if you're unwilling to accept the findings of the organization responsible for a great many of society's technical advancements, then you're merely trolling.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
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  - polotics 2y ago
    Please AtlasBarfed with such a leet pseudo don't let yourself get trolled down into this kind of statement!
- Toutouxc 2y ago
  Which bit exactly do Milankovitch cycles explain? Isn't the current orbital configuration such that the earth should be slowly cooling? Do you have any sources for what you're saying?
- roelschroeven 2y ago
  Do you have any idea how fast current global warming is compared to historical changes? Go to https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/ and scroll all the way down. That should give some perspective on that. Do you have any idea how much more devastating current global warming is in our civilization of 8 billion people, all interconnected socioeconomically? Or are you trying to say that global warming isn't human related? In that case, are you (a) willfully ignorant or (b) arguing in bad faith?
  - baggachipz 2y ago
    It should also be noted that that comic was published 8 years ago. We're now at +1.5c, which means we're actually doing worse than his "current path" line from back then.
Over2Chars 2y ago
I think advanced climate models aren't the place of contention is this debate, but the interpretation of those models, and the conclusion as to who has to do what, and when.

conartist6 2y ago

Being a real change happening in the world, it could also be a chance for YOU to join the powerful and wealthy if you can adapt to the new reality while other people are stuck in the old one. But I suspect your logic is circular, because people who gain money and power through canny anticipation of change will just get lumped into your category of "global elites" confirming what you already believe.

captainbland 2y ago

As it goes, it seems that action against climate change measures is also being used as a vehicle for global elites to gain more power, influence and wealth. Honestly those billionaires will grasp onto anything. If we have any technical geo engineering type solutions, I hope we try it on another planet first. Although we might find it hard to find something suitably equivalent.