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> I know that Matrix these days has a lot of the same features but certainly is not there as far as convenience goes. For what it's worth, the whole Matrix com

> I know that Matrix these days has a lot of the same features but certainly is not there as far as convenience goes. For what it's worth, the whole Matrix community has been solidly plugging away improving convenience and making good progress - all the new Matrix 2.0 APIs, and on launching Element X on the Element side: https://matrix.org/blog/2024/10/29/matrix-2.0-is-here/ https://matrix.org/blog/2024/10/29/matrix-2.0-is-here/ and https://element.io/blog/we-have-lift-off-element-x-call-and-server-suite-are-ready/ https://element.io/blog/we-have-lift-off-element-x-call-and-... etc. A lot of the "Matrix isn't good enough" trope is a few years old now.

eptcyka 2y ago
I wouldn't expect any other sentiment from the head of Matrix, to put it more bluntly.
creesch 2y ago
I mean yeah, that is all true as Matrix has slowly been improving over the years and is more user-friendly than it was years ago. But the reality is also that it has also been a decade since Discord was released. Meaning that for almost a decade people have been able to experience a very low threshold experience of joining entire servers and creating their own. I don't want to discredit all the work that went into the protocol and clients. All I am saying is that after almost a decade it is quite clear that as far as IRC replacements go most of the internet moved to Discord. Which I also am not a fan of, but I can see why it did happen as Matrix simply didn't have all the features back then. I also do recognize that Matrix at this stage is much more user-friendly and offers many of the features discord also does. Spaces in place of servers and at least one client that is still quite okay. Though I do think some of the things I said a few years ago still apply https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30328120#30333252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30328120#30333252. And the fact that after a decade there is still only one client having feature parity still stands out to me. I know that discord officially only has one client. But since there are multiple clients advertised for matrix it does add to confusion and therefore detracts from convenience. Having said that, I firmly believe there is a place for matrix. It is clear there are vibrant communities on the platform, so I am not saying it is a dead platform. Just also not one that I see being more widely adopted in the near future. I also have seen other applications that I found quite novel and pleasant. Just last year I had to do an online interactive training with a trainer. The platform itself with breakout rooms and trainer interaction was all based on matrix and element as far as I could tell.
floren 2y ago
I'm about to ditch it entirely because my friend who uses matrix.org cannot see images I send from my homeserver, and vice versa. I thought I fixed all that nonsense when I turned on authenticated media months back but it keeps happening. Kinda pathetic after this many years.
- Arathorn 2y ago
  Sounds like your homeserver is having problems, or authenticated media wasn't turned on right. If you can chuck a bug into github.com/element-hq/synapse/issues we'll look at it.

eptcyka 2y ago

I wouldn't expect any other sentiment from the head of Matrix, to put it more bluntly.

creesch 2y ago

I mean yeah, that is all true as Matrix has slowly been improving over the years and is more user-friendly than it was years ago. But the reality is also that it has also been a decade since Discord was released. Meaning that for almost a decade people have been able to experience a very low threshold experience of joining entire servers and creating their own. I don't want to discredit all the work that went into the protocol and clients. All I am saying is that after almost a decade it is quite clear that as far as IRC replacements go most of the internet moved to Discord. Which I also am not a fan of, but I can see why it did happen as Matrix simply didn't have all the features back then. I also do recognize that Matrix at this stage is much more user-friendly and offers many of the features discord also does. Spaces in place of servers and at least one client that is still quite okay. Though I do think some of the things I said a few years ago still apply https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30328120#30333252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30328120#30333252. And the fact that after a decade there is still only one client having feature parity still stands out to me. I know that discord officially only has one client. But since there are multiple clients advertised for matrix it does add to confusion and therefore detracts from convenience. Having said that, I firmly believe there is a place for matrix. It is clear there are vibrant communities on the platform, so I am not saying it is a dead platform. Just also not one that I see being more widely adopted in the near future. I also have seen other applications that I found quite novel and pleasant. Just last year I had to do an online interactive training with a trainer. The platform itself with breakout rooms and trainer interaction was all based on matrix and element as far as I could tell.

floren 2y ago

I'm about to ditch it entirely because my friend who uses matrix.org cannot see images I send from my homeserver, and vice versa. I thought I fixed all that nonsense when I turned on authenticated media months back but it keeps happening. Kinda pathetic after this many years.

Arathorn 2y ago
Sounds like your homeserver is having problems, or authenticated media wasn't turned on right. If you can chuck a bug into github.com/element-hq/synapse/issues we'll look at it.