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The thing about DEI is that people seem to think it’s about giving unjust benefits to some specific groups they don’t like, and ignore the fact that it also ben

• slt2021 2y ago
  the problem is that DEI is not regulated by law and fundamentally is a discrimination. veterans hiring is encoded in Veterans hiring preference Act, disabled people have protections against discrimination in ADA act. There is no law that enforces DEI, its all vibes and fuzzy warm words that lead to discrimination against white men. There is no law, but DEI is being enforced as such - this is the root of the problem.
  • pavlov 2y ago
    Enforced how exactly? You’re contradicting yourself. You say it’s “vibes and fuzzy warm words”, but those can’t be enforced.
    • slt2021 2y ago
      enforced top-down from leaders and decision makers by the "commitment to diversity" and hiring of unqualified people based on diversity representation, not merit. the most recent example is Kamala Harris: she had the worst primary performance during 2020, but still was selected as VP by Biden and was nominated without primaries again in 2024. Her electoral results speak for DEI in general, when hiring decision is done by picking the most diverse candidate based on skin-level shallow criteria instead of fair competition (primaries)
      • pavlov 2y ago
        We’re talking about corporations, not political parties. If this enforcement to hire unqualified people is happening, surely there’s lots of evidence? Internal emails and messages regularly get released as part of lawsuits. There must be lots of cases where middle managers at Apple are complaining that they’re being forced to hire an unqualified person because of a top-down edict, as you say.
        • slt2021 2y ago
          just look at the LA FD: what are the chances that 3 top leaders in FD are lesbian women? Given the fact that the rest of the fire dept are white males, the chances of this happening at random are minuscule. This is the proof that people who have DEI factors are promoted to the top leadership, with the predictable poor outcomes
          • defrost 2y ago
            > with the predictable poor outcomes Why predictable? Are lesbians incapable of being organised, unable to rebuild V8 engines, can't hold a hose because of its shape? Have you met a significant number of lesbians?
            • slt2021 2y ago
              I have eyes, I can read news, and I can see the results of their work in LA.
              • defrost 2y ago
                But you can't explain why its predictable that lesbians --> failure.
                • slt2021 2y ago
                  it is predictable because they are hired and promoted because of their sexual identity and gender (which has no connection to job duties), not merit. The moment you start hiring based on identity, instead of merit is when things will go south
• Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >The thing about DEI is that people seem to think it’s about giving unjust benefits to some specific groups they don’t like Which people think that? You're creating your own narrative and then generalizing it to give it legitimacy without any sources or references: "people think that...". Also, for the sake of the argument, let's assume you're right and a majority of people think like that then that becomes the reality even if you don't like it as that's how democracy works. If enough people think like that then you as a company have to conform to the market or go bust, you can't change consumers' thoughts and views even though they sure do try a lot.
• nailer 2y ago
  The thing about DEI is that it’s racist.