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I agree. The gist of the main arguments I see in this thread are that average people should be trusted to choose whether or not they will unlock their device. Y

by jmb99 2y ago

I agree. The gist of the main arguments I see in this thread are that average people should be trusted to choose whether or not they will unlock their device. Yet, a group of (presumably) some of the most technically savvy people on the internet can’t figure out how to buy open products? If you don’t want a locked-down computer, don’t buy a Mac. Clearly, many, many people do, so why should they have that taken away from them because of someone else’s ideals?

user_7832 2y ago
It is possible for something to still be very good despite restrictions (e.g. m series MacBooks). It’s also reasonable to “complain” if the device you purchased isn’t truly in “your” control (eg forced OTA updates). Also a minor nit: > Yet, a group of (presumably) some of the most technically savvy people on the internet can’t figure out how to buy open products? This isn’t necessarily fair. When I bought my iPad (my first apple device) I could try it at an Apple store where there’s only so much you can realise. How are the speakers? Is the screen bright? How quickly does YouTube/websites open? What I did not realise until much later was that even something as “basic” as downloading a couple of MP3 and playing them is bizarrely hard on iOS. Or that alarms have no option to gently rise, and are designed to give you a heart attack. Or that you can’t even set your own song/music as an alarm (unless you’ve paid apple money for their music services, very conveniently). Would I have still bought an iPad if I knew all these? Maybe. But maybe I’d have gotten a basic model. Or maybe I’d just use an android tablet - the details are irrelevant here. But there’s a lot of things about an OS that are obscure.
BeFlatXIII 2y ago
> If you don’t want a locked-down computer, don’t buy a Mac I'd be bothered to respect your opinion if there were competitors whose build quality were better than dogshit.

by jmb99 2y ago

user_7832 2y ago

It is possible for something to still be very good despite restrictions (e.g. m series MacBooks). It’s also reasonable to “complain” if the device you purchased isn’t truly in “your” control (eg forced OTA updates). Also a minor nit: > Yet, a group of (presumably) some of the most technically savvy people on the internet can’t figure out how to buy open products? This isn’t necessarily fair. When I bought my iPad (my first apple device) I could try it at an Apple store where there’s only so much you can realise. How are the speakers? Is the screen bright? How quickly does YouTube/websites open? What I did not realise until much later was that even something as “basic” as downloading a couple of MP3 and playing them is bizarrely hard on iOS. Or that alarms have no option to gently rise, and are designed to give you a heart attack. Or that you can’t even set your own song/music as an alarm (unless you’ve paid apple money for their music services, very conveniently). Would I have still bought an iPad if I knew all these? Maybe. But maybe I’d have gotten a basic model. Or maybe I’d just use an android tablet - the details are irrelevant here. But there’s a lot of things about an OS that are obscure.

BeFlatXIII 2y ago

> If you don’t want a locked-down computer, don’t buy a Mac I'd be bothered to respect your opinion if there were competitors whose build quality were better than dogshit.