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Yes, which is why it's silly to do it. Developers (not "users"!) need to learn how to install Python on their system. I honestly don't know how someone can call

Yes, which is why it's silly to do it. Developers (not "users"!) need to learn how to install Python on their system. I honestly don't know how someone can call themselves a Python developer if they can't even install the interpreter!

zahlman 2y ago
The Python community has the attitude that everyone needs to be welcomed; I mostly agree, and I don't see the point in fussing about what people want to call themselves. Everyone starts somewhere, and people try really hard to help (one random example from 2022: https://discuss.python.org/t/python-appears-in-cmd/15858 https://discuss.python.org/t/python-appears-in-cmd/15858) But overall, computer literacy is really on the decline these days. Nowadays before you can teach programming in any traditional sense, you may have to teach the concept of a file system, then a command line...
bennofs 2y ago
I for one enjoy the convenience of automatically installing python versions. Yes I know how to do it manually. Yes it is possible to install multiple versions. But that does not mean I want to do it every time, just to test how things behave in different python versions. For that, it's also okay if it does not install the most performant version of the interpreter.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  Sure. We've had system package managers for decades. I install a major version once a year and it gets automatically upgraded to the latest patch version by my system package manager, just like everything else.
- zahlman 2y ago
  >Yes it is possible to install multiple versions. But that does not mean I want to do it every time, just to test how things behave in different python versions You only have to do it once per version with this approach. Then you can create venvs from that base, and it's basically instantaneous if you do it `--without-pip`.

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Yes, which is why it's silly to do it. Developers (not "users"!) need to learn how to install Python on their system. I honestly don't know how someone can call

by globular-toast 2y ago

zahlman 2y ago
The Python community has the attitude that everyone needs to be welcomed; I mostly agree, and I don't see the point in fussing about what people want to call themselves. Everyone starts somewhere, and people try really hard to help (one random example from 2022: https://discuss.python.org/t/python-appears-in-cmd/15858 https://discuss.python.org/t/python-appears-in-cmd/15858) But overall, computer literacy is really on the decline these days. Nowadays before you can teach programming in any traditional sense, you may have to teach the concept of a file system, then a command line...
bennofs 2y ago
I for one enjoy the convenience of automatically installing python versions. Yes I know how to do it manually. Yes it is possible to install multiple versions. But that does not mean I want to do it every time, just to test how things behave in different python versions. For that, it's also okay if it does not install the most performant version of the interpreter.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  Sure. We've had system package managers for decades. I install a major version once a year and it gets automatically upgraded to the latest patch version by my system package manager, just like everything else.
- zahlman 2y ago
  >Yes it is possible to install multiple versions. But that does not mean I want to do it every time, just to test how things behave in different python versions You only have to do it once per version with this approach. Then you can create venvs from that base, and it's basically instantaneous if you do it `--without-pip`.