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In 1999 we had obits and mail, just like in 1899. Of course now all of the newspapers are gone (what’s black and white and dead all over?), so notifying the loc

In 1999 we had obits and mail, just like in 1899. Of course now all of the newspapers are gone (what’s black and white and dead all over?), so notifying the local community is much harder than 25 years ago. Also some people back then would brag about not having a TV, the same way vegans still do today.

Intermernet 2y ago
I didn't know not having a TV was a vegan thing...
- labster 2y ago
  See sibling comment lol
shafyy 2y ago
God damn vegans and their non-TVs, what assholes! Edit: Jokes aside, I'm vegan and I don't own a TV. Coincidence? Haha
latexr 2y ago
> Also some people back then would brag about not having a TV, the same way vegans still do today. This is the toupée fallacy mixed in with something else I haven’t yet put a name on. Most vegans don’t brag about being vegan, just like most TVless people don’t brag about not having a TV. Some people are assholes and brag about anything, and some of those do the things you mentioned. It’s orders of magnitude more common to see people complaining about vegans (or, for an HN example, Apple users) than the actual bragging. It’s a meme, not the reality.
- labster 2y ago
  Cool idea, but it’s based on my own experience in life, from a girlfriend and various people in college. And even a newspaper article I read literally this morning. Vegan folks who I knew and talked to every day. That said I could have used airplane pilots for the same example (also based on personal experience).
  - latexr 2y ago
    Right, that’s the toupée fallacy. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Toupee_fallacy https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Toupee_fallacy You only know about the people who let you know. You have no idea how many vegans or airplane pilots you encounter regularly who never tell you. A small sample is driving the reputation of the whole. For people with whom you talk every day, it’s no surprise that you know. It’s bound to come up but I doubt it happened on your first conversation with everyone. If it did, you were hanging out with a weird group. If they knew each other, it’s normal that they’d talk about a shared interest. Just like people who hang out on HN would be likely to discuss tech when meeting in person. I have no doubt you found your share of asshole vegans, just like there are assholes who make it a point to make everyone know they eat meat. Though it is important to distinguish a true asshole from someone simply sharing an experience. Saying “no, thanks, I’m vegan” when offered a bite of a meat sandwich is not bragging, it’s context. Unfortunately, too many people take it to be a judgement when it most often is not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      Very interesting thought. I didn’t know the toupée itself neither the fallacy. Looks like a cousin of the famous survivor bias and both are children of a "observational bias" category. This is only my humble layman guess. The video was interesting too, I’ll have a look at that channel. Thanks for sharing.
      - latexr 2y ago
        That video is part of a larger series on Gamergate. If you liked that one, it’s worth it to see everything. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbee... I also recommend these two earlier videos, on unrelated matters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6y6LEwsKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6y6LEwsKc
    - labster 2y ago

Intermernet 2y ago

I didn't know not having a TV was a vegan thing...

labster 2y ago
See sibling comment lol

shafyy 2y ago

God damn vegans and their non-TVs, what assholes! Edit: Jokes aside, I'm vegan and I don't own a TV. Coincidence? Haha

latexr 2y ago

> Also some people back then would brag about not having a TV, the same way vegans still do today. This is the toupée fallacy mixed in with something else I haven’t yet put a name on. Most vegans don’t brag about being vegan, just like most TVless people don’t brag about not having a TV. Some people are assholes and brag about anything, and some of those do the things you mentioned. It’s orders of magnitude more common to see people complaining about vegans (or, for an HN example, Apple users) than the actual bragging. It’s a meme, not the reality.

labster 2y ago
Cool idea, but it’s based on my own experience in life, from a girlfriend and various people in college. And even a newspaper article I read literally this morning. Vegan folks who I knew and talked to every day. That said I could have used airplane pilots for the same example (also based on personal experience).
- latexr 2y ago
  Right, that’s the toupée fallacy. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Toupee_fallacy https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Toupee_fallacy You only know about the people who let you know. You have no idea how many vegans or airplane pilots you encounter regularly who never tell you. A small sample is driving the reputation of the whole. For people with whom you talk every day, it’s no surprise that you know. It’s bound to come up but I doubt it happened on your first conversation with everyone. If it did, you were hanging out with a weird group. If they knew each other, it’s normal that they’d talk about a shared interest. Just like people who hang out on HN would be likely to discuss tech when meeting in person. I have no doubt you found your share of asshole vegans, just like there are assholes who make it a point to make everyone know they eat meat. Though it is important to distinguish a true asshole from someone simply sharing an experience. Saying “no, thanks, I’m vegan” when offered a bite of a meat sandwich is not bragging, it’s context. Unfortunately, too many people take it to be a judgement when it most often is not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    Very interesting thought. I didn’t know the toupée itself neither the fallacy. Looks like a cousin of the famous survivor bias and both are children of a "observational bias" category. This is only my humble layman guess. The video was interesting too, I’ll have a look at that channel. Thanks for sharing.
    - latexr 2y ago
      That video is part of a larger series on Gamergate. If you liked that one, it’s worth it to see everything. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbeegLPpvQlR4CjF https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY62dhVThbee... I also recommend these two earlier videos, on unrelated matters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6y6LEwsKc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6y6LEwsKc
  - labster 2y ago